Bubu Suing ISU

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NATEizKING

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Some people sure come off as Bubu fanboys when this thread arises. He definitely has the right to sue, but there's a lot of energy spent defending someone who at the least was stupid and at the worst is a sexual offender.

That's the problem, reputation ruined because of this girl. I'd sue too, feel bad for the wrongfully accused.
 

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What's preventing him from going to Europe? Or finding a job with his degree?
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Probably nothing now, but he was less appealing after sitting on the bench for a year.

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His reputation was tarnished.
 

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Some people sure come off as Bubu fanboys when this thread arises. He definitely has the right to sue, but there's a lot of energy spent defending someone who at the least was stupid and at the worst is a sexual offender.

Well, 99% of college guys make at least one stupid decision in their college careers, so I'm not going to blame him for being stupid. He was in the wrong. But she may have been as well.

If he is found to be a sex offender, then I don't want the guy associated with the university at all. But he was never found guilty, the university screwed up the whole process, and the evidence was tampered with.

Just seems like so many painted Bubu guilty, and refuse to believe that he could've been wronged by the University.
 

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I'm actually not emotional at all. I do know former rape victims, and I know that some of them have felt like they needed to go to desperate measures to be believed, as rape victims are re-victimized and not believed in most situations. There is a reason that the gross majority of rapes and assaults go unreported. I don't think it is impossible that the girl here did the same. I find it disgusting that people think, "She was drunk, she was asking for it." Or "she texted him, therefore she must have been DTF."

Fulfilling "his rights" implies that he kept the contract that he had with ISU to act as a representative and have good conduct. Those rights were reliant on that. Those were rights, additionally, that ISU gave him that nobody else offered or allowed. It's essentially saying, "Oh, hey - you said you were going to gift me $100 of your money, but you only gave me $75. I'm going to sue you for $1000." Had ISU not given him the chance to play, he wouldn't be in the D-league right now, unless there were offers from other NCAA schools that have not been reported previously. Perhaps ISU should subtract his winnings from a lawsuit from the D-league wages they've helped him earn?

Look, I agree. People who say that 'She was asking for it' are ******* stupid. There may be a trail of communications throughout the day, but that doesn't indicate in the moment of passion if the victim actually wanted to proceed or not. I agree with you there. But...I didn't mention this anywhere in my post. You literally skipped my entire point where there were obvious missteps by the victim which prevented any momentum of proceeding against Bubu or that other kid legally. In fact...as I mentioned above, it could be inferred that if you are 'MANUFACTURING' evidence, there is a good chance you could be lying about the whole thing. Now..I understand that you want to side with a victim, and I think ALL of us in here would. The problem with this victim is that when you LIE to police, and don't pretend that she didn't, then there is a strong liklihood that your credibility will be shot. THIS is what has happened here.

Also...you don't think that Leath mis-handled this situation? You don't think Bubu at least deserved an answer so he could have known whether or not he needed to transfer? I mean..you keep arguing that the punishment wasn't that much..and ISU did MUCH more for Bubu than he ever did for us. Seriously..how is that even relevant? Honestly? All Leath needed to do was to notify Bubu of his punishment BEFORE the transfer period was over and this wouldn't even be a problem. But....he chose not to, and as such he cost Bubu an entire collegiate season. Leath's mishandling of this case is problematic, and IMO Bubu has standing to sue because of it.
 

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Some people sure come off as Bubu fanboys when this thread arises. He definitely has the right to sue, but there's a lot of energy spent defending someone who at the least was stupid and at the worst is a sexual offender.

Is there a way to be supporting Bubu's angle without being a "Bubu fanboy", in your opinion?
 

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They owe him a year and a half of D League wage IMO. Not that hard to figure out since he was delayed from graduation to playing there.

It's highly possible, with improved play his senior year, that he could have gotten a better initial contract from the D-League as well.

Whether people think he deserves compensation or not, it's definitely possible that a judge could find fault with how Leath handled the situation.
 

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I don't think you understand what "people can get paid for playing basketball in leagues other than the NBA" means.

And I don't think you understand what "natural limits in ability" are.

The pay range per the Google for a D-league player is $20,000 - $25,000. Let's say that he's making the bare minimum of $20k, which is unlikely given that he's a starter. So, he'd be missing out on $5k/season.

His stats and measurables that are looked at in the combine when he left ISU were not comparable to the current ISU players playing in Europe. I'd gather they are still not, or else he would be playing there. He continued to practice under Hoiberg, and train. He even played the rest of the season when he was charged. He has since been trained and playing with other "professionals." Yet, again, he is not playing in Europe. By contrast, check out Diante Garrett's stats - he is playing in Europe, and wasn't drafted - you'll perhaps find them a little more compelling than the 3 ppg that Bubu was making: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diant...ia.org/wiki/Diante_Garrett#College_statistics

I get that you really want this to be a guy who was going to go on and be an all-star. I get that you think this nefarious woman just hosed him out of a career full of chicks and dollar bills and champagne rooms. If that were the case, he's been in the D-league long enough on a team that's good enough with training that's going to be superior to ISU, he's had exposure, and still magically nobody is knocking at his door.
 

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Comments in this thread such as "that girl ruined our season" don't particularly help the fanboy image.

There are people who have disavowed such comments but still seem to be painted with the same broad brush.

It looks to me like there are plenty of ridiculous posts on both sides of this debate.
 

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Comments in this thread such as "that girl ruined our season" don't particularly help the fanboy image.

Unfortunately, there is no IQ requirement for posting on a message board.


I am not a Bubu fanboy, but I think he has the right to sue for how everything went down.

He's proven that he is good enough to make money playing basketball. Not playing his senior season jeopardized that and there is probably a monetary cost that can be assessed.
 

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And I don't think you understand what "natural limits in ability" are.

The pay range per the Google for a D-league player is $20,000 - $25,000. Let's say that he's making the bare minimum of $20k, which is unlikely given that he's a starter. So, he'd be missing out on $5k/season.

His stats and measurables that are looked at in the combine when he left ISU were not comparable to the current ISU players playing in Europe. I'd gather they are still not, or else he would be playing there. He continued to practice under Hoiberg, and train. He even played the rest of the season when he was charged. He has since been trained and playing with other "professionals." Yet, again, he is not playing in Europe. By contrast, check out Diante Garrett's stats - he is playing in Europe, and wasn't drafted - you'll perhaps find them a little more compelling than the 3 ppg that Bubu was making: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diant...ia.org/wiki/Diante_Garrett#College_statistics

I get that you really want this to be a guy who was going to go on and be an all-star. I get that you think this nefarious woman just hosed him out of a career full of chicks and dollar bills and champagne rooms. If that were the case, he's been in the D-league long enough on a team that's good enough with training that's going to be superior to ISU, he's had exposure, and still magically nobody is knocking at his door.

So 20k a year, he was delayed a year and a half from playing in the D League. If he makes 25k then he's owed more. So he is owed 30-37.5k, correct? I'd sue too.
 

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It's highly possible, with improved play his senior year, that he could have gotten a better initial contract from the D-League as well.

Whether people think he deserves compensation or not, it's definitely possible that a judge could find fault with how Leath handled the situation.

Even if it's a small amount of money, say $5k- $20k, that's still more than he started with. I can see why he would be interested in pursuing this. There is a very, very lower floor for winning, but also the possibility of a fairly high ceiling. And a feeling of revenge, if that's what he wants.
 

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the negative stigma of being accused as a rapist, kicked off a Div.1 bball team and then let go?

Not sure who you hire but in most industries, HR tends to do things like background checks and weird stuff like that...and whether or not it's legal to do so, people don't get hired or get the benefit of the doubt when things like that happen to them.

LOL. One of the biggest stars ever in the NBA played his last game last night. I think he was still making okay money despite being a rapist.

Let's not pretend that professional basketball players are held to the same standards as someone working at State Farm.
 

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I get that you really want this to be a guy who was going to go on and be an all-star. I get that you think this nefarious woman just hosed him out of a career full of chicks and dollar bills and champagne rooms. If that were the case, he's been in the D-league long enough on a team that's good enough with training that's going to be superior to ISU, he's had exposure, and still magically nobody is knocking at his door.

REAAACCHHHHHH

REEAAAACCCCCHHHHHH

Nope. No where did he say that.
 

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LOL. One of the biggest stars ever in the NBA played his last game last night. I think he was still making okay money despite being a rapist.

Let's not pretend that professional basketball players are held to the same standards as someone working at State Farm.

Heck even if you are a good high school player and rape someone at 17, you get your case moved to juvie court.
 
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