Sure they do, like all those troubled transfers we took in that had nowhere else to go due to their issues.
Bubu Suing ISU
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Sure they do, like all those troubled transfers we took in that had nowhere else to go due to their issues.
He didn't "ha[ve] to" waste any time. He did something that caused him to be in a spot where he had charges filed against him. ISU should not have to pay his legal fees for that. A decision was made. He chose to stay here and waste money trying to fight it, rather than going to the D-league. Every single step in this is because of choices made by Bubu Palo.
I don't know of any we took who weren't higher-level talents to offset the troubled pasts? Can you think of any?
Every time that part or all of this case has been brought before a juror in some capacity (administrative law judge, appeals court judge, criminal court judge, etc) the charges have either been dropped, refused (SCOI) or the findings have favored Bubu. I believe there was also a settlement in his favor from the suit he brought against the accuser and her mother, but I'm not certain of that fact.
The only findings in favor of the accuser have been from Dr. Leath and the BOR, and Dr. Leath's actions have been confusing and contradictory (at least to me).
If Bubu feels he has been wronged by ISU, let him sue. Let the courts decide. I am not a Bubu fanboy(girl). I am a fan of justice and equal treatment under the law.
The only findings in favor of the accuser have been from Dr. Leath and the BOR, and Dr. Leath's actions have been confusing and contradictory (at least to me).
If Bubu feels he has been wronged by ISU, let him sue. Let the courts decide. I am not a Bubu fanboy(girl). I am a fan of justice and equal treatment under the law.
The university has probably wasted many, many times that on the resources required to deal with this mess caused by Bubu.
I'm sorry, dude, I'm not going to go through a 24-page post. It was a few pages back, someone posted the judge's quote.
I don't think it's as simple as saying, "I want to try out for the D-League now!" That is done after the end of the college basketball season. Players who want to put their name into draft do so, try out for teams, and if they are not drafted THEN the D-League and European leagues start trying out players.
The NBA gives their teams first crack at drafting potential players, otherwise the best players in the league could quit college in the middle of the year and sign a contract to play for whoever they want.
Leath waiting until after Bubu's deadline to transfer directly prevented him from going to play at another school. Playing at another school would have given him one last chance to showcase his talents for a possible professional future.
Since he didn't have a change to play college basketball his senior year, he entered the 2014 NBA draft. If he had known after his Junior season that he wouldn't be allowed to play his senior season he could have declared himself eligible for the 2013 draft. THEN, and only then, could he have played in the D-League a year earlier.
Who wouldn't clear their name from a rape charge? He was wrongfully accused and should be compensated. Leath isn't above the law, he tried to be after Bubu was cleared and his decision was even overturned by the court so he was wrong.
He had dour words, but he still found insufficient evidence that Bubu violated the code of conduct. I have some pretty dour words for Bubu also...most of us do. We are neither his judges nor his jury.
angie...I can't go back and read all of this...and I ask you out of respect because you and I have agreed on other topics in the past...but what is the core of your argument relative to Bubu suing ISU?
I understand you have a different opinion than some might have on the case that led to this discussion but I'm curious to know in summation what you feel Bubu should or should not be able to do based on facts.
I'm not trying to be argumentative with you but there is so much speculation on his abilities and where and what he could have done based on the angle of the moon at certain times.
ISU made decisions that negatively affected Bubu. It MAY have cost him money and reputation. How is ISU not a part of that, if your argument is that they are not?
I understand you have a different opinion than some might have on the case that led to this discussion but I'm curious to know in summation what you feel Bubu should or should not be able to do based on facts.
I'm not trying to be argumentative with you but there is so much speculation on his abilities and where and what he could have done based on the angle of the moon at certain times.
ISU made decisions that negatively affected Bubu. It MAY have cost him money and reputation. How is ISU not a part of that, if your argument is that they are not?
CyDude...you're arguing for the sake of doing it. If you were publicly outed as a "rapist" and then people said you weren't, would it not impact your public and private life. Maybe even affect your ability to get a job?
Instead of being sarcastic, can you answer it honestly?
But they do accept people at different points in the year. It's not like an open enrollment for health insurance. There's a standard time, and then there are exceptions. If Bubu was this amazing talent that people are reporting, surely they would have made an exception. But let's say they wouldn't give him a shot in 2013-2014, he still didn't play in 2014-2015. (At least not that I can find.)
You didn't say higher-level, you said marginal. Many of our recent transfers had left their previous schools do to some kind of legal or university trouble, and a lot of them were marginal-to-good talents at the time they came in.
I'm not saying we brought in the next Kobe or LeBron. We brought in average-to-good players that other schools wouldn't be arsed to deal with.
Angie, I am losing a lot of respect for you in this thread. You keep harping on him about how he isn't NBA starter material and how people are saying that he is an amazing talent when no one is saying that. If you don't have anything to dispute about what people are actually posting why do you continue to post?
I'm pretty much in the middle on this whole thing but there are a few people who need to walk away from this argument. They are too emotional and really making themselves look bad.
I'm done with this thread. It was stupid of me to think that it had a chance of not becoming what every other Bubu thread has become.
You know I like you, too.
Here's a brief summary of what I think:
- In the original case, I think Bubu got off on a technicality. I think the victim was an idiot to get drunk and not be near friends, and I think she was an idiot to fabricate the evidence. But I still think a drunk and high Bubu went in for seconds after his friend raped her, but he got off because the victim was dumb. Being drunk and high doesn't mean that you're innocent, however. I think it's icky of him to try to go after her in court, but I guess it's his legal right, so whatevs.
- To me, I think that ISU has the right to grant and take away access to all university resources at any time for justifiable reason. I think it's incredibly unlikely that a man as smart as Leath looked at evidence that was actually insufficient and still made an unpopular decision, that's not logical. I think the evidence he saw was pretty damning, and so he took a long time (some would argue longer than he should have, but he was holding a kid's future in his hands as well as a girl's safety) to come to that decision so as not to misstep.
- I personally think that it should have been an all-or-nothing decision to either kick him entirely off campus and the team, or keep him on both. It's like the whole "allowing religious exemptions for vaccines in school" thing - it seems like a weak approach. But I'm guessing it was based off of not wanting to get sued. That clearly didn't work.
- I think Bubu is angry for the wrong reasons, at the wrong people, and is lashing out. Be mad at your buddy who put you in the situation. Be mad at yourself. But ISU gave him opportunities that he, from all accounts, did not have before he walked onto the court.
- I think a lawsuit based off of "lost wages" is silly. There's just no evidence that indicates he had (or currently has) the talent to even go to Europe to play. He chose not to go to the d-league last year in order to pursue a grudge case against ISU. That's not really their problem.
I think this is an overall good kid who has made some bad choices in friends and influences. I think he did something abhorrent here. Does that mean that's who he is overall? Not likely, but it doesn't excuse what he did.
I don't know all of the rules for the NBA amateur draft, but I don't think they are allowed to sign players who haven't been through the draft process yet. Even players from Europe have to go through the draft process. No NBA or D-League team can sign Georges Niang to a contract right now, because teams have not been given the opportunity to draft him yet.
Nobody is saying Bubu was this AMAZING talent, but he is in fact talented enough to play professional basketball in some capacity. Being able to showcase his talents for one last year in college could have increased his earning potential. That's not a tough argument to make.
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