Bubu Suing ISU

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jbhtexas

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Well, if his counsel was directly allowing Leath and the University to drag their feet, I don't really see how this is going to work in Bubu's favor. Bubu's lawyer(s) apparently do(es), as they are pursuing this in the first place, but I don't see a good setup here for him.

Interesting. I'm surprised his lawyers let the decision drag out.

Certainly no bias in those statements...
 

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I imagine the result of Leath's decision would affect whether or not they needed to know before the dead line. Not sure this entirely gives ISU an easy out but it's what comes to my mind.
 

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In most states they still start in juvenile court and are transferred to adult court. I don't know what the law says in Iowa it is unclear if they are generally moved or start in adult court by the quote.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/juveniles-youth-adult-criminal-court-32226.html

Per Iowa Code section 232.8, subsection 1, pertaining to jurisdiction of the juvenile court:

c. Violations by a child, aged sixteen or older, which
subject the child to the provisions of section 124.401, subsection 1,
paragraph "e" or "f", or violations of section 723A.2 which
involve a violation of chapter 724, or violation of chapter 724 which
constitutes a felony, or violations which constitute a forcible
felony are excluded from the jurisdiction of the juvenile court and
shall be prosecuted as otherwise provided by law unless the court
transfers jurisdiction of the child to the juvenile court upon motion
and for good cause.
A child over whom jurisdiction has not been
transferred to the juvenile court, and who is convicted of a
violation excluded from the jurisdiction of the juvenile court under
this paragraph, shall be sentenced pursuant to section 124.401B,
902.9, or 903.1.

Sexual abuse is a forcible felony per Iowa Code section 702.11, subsection 1.

1. A "forcible felony" is any felonious child endangerment,
assault, murder, sexual abuse, kidnapping, robbery, arson in the
first degree, or burglary in the first degree..
 
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jbhtexas

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Don't look at me with those judgmental eyes. I've said multiple times that this lawsuit against ISU doesn't seem like a great idea.

You are playing both sides, and have been through the entire thread. Leath said he needed the extra time to make a sound judgement. You characterized that as ISU dragging its feet, which to me means that you don't believe that Leath needed the extra time. Which is it?
 

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Well, if his counsel was directly allowing Leath and the University to drag their feet, I don't really see how this is going to work in Bubu's favor. Bubu's lawyer(s) apparently do(es), as they are pursuing this in the first place, but I don't see a good setup here for him.

This is why I do not study law as a profession.

Bubu's lawyer would rather sue ISU than have Bubu sue him.
 

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I don't know...is that what you really believe?

Yes, I do. I was not aware that his attorneys were consulted on the matter.



Maybe they were overconfident in getting a positive decision. Maybe Bubu REALLY wanted to play his last year at ISU.


No one knows every facet of this case no matter how much has been reported in the media. No one knows exactly what Leath's thoughts were when making the decision. No one knows if this law suit will lead to any monetary outcome for Bubu.


I think he has every right to sue though. Let the court decide if there are any lost wages or not.


I also don't think whether or not we think he did anything wrong has any bearing on his right to sue. And speculating on how good of a player he is doesn't really matter either.
 

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It's perfectly reasonable to question why Iowa State acted the way it did. It's perfectly reasonable to question Palo's actions that night and beyond. It's perfectly reasonable to question the woman's behavior that night and beyond.

What is for sure is that at the very least, what happened that night sounds incredibly shady, and I for one am glad Leath kicked him off the team.

I'm also supportive of Palo's right to sue the woman and the university. I hope he doesn't get a dime from ISU because I think it was totally justified to kick him off the team but it's certainly up to him to pursue it.
 

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Yes, I do. I was not aware that his attorneys were consulted on the matter.



Maybe they were overconfident in getting a positive decision. Maybe Bubu REALLY wanted to play his last year at ISU.


No one knows every facet of this case no matter how much has been reported in the media. No one knows exactly what Leath's thoughts were when making the decision. No one knows if this law suit will lead to any monetary outcome for Bubu.


I think he has every right to sue though. Let the court decide if there are any lost wages or not.


I also don't think whether or not we think he did anything wrong has any bearing on his right to sue. And speculating on how good of a player he is doesn't really matter either.

Agreed this thread is 95% opinion and about 1% substance. Many people have taken a emotionally charged stance in the conversation and we aren't even discussing the legality of the situation.
 

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Yes, I do. I was not aware that his attorneys were consulted on the matter.



Maybe they were overconfident in getting a positive decision. Maybe Bubu REALLY wanted to play his last year at ISU.


No one knows every facet of this case no matter how much has been reported in the media. No one knows exactly what Leath's thoughts were when making the decision. No one knows if this law suit will lead to any monetary outcome for Bubu.


I think he has every right to sue though. Let the court decide if there are any lost wages or not.


I also don't think whether or not we think he did anything wrong has any bearing on his right to sue. And speculating on how good of a player he is doesn't really matter either.

This seems to be the most rational thing posted in the thread.
 

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You are playing both sides, and have been through the entire thread. Leath said he needed the extra time to make a sound judgement. You characterized that as ISU dragging its feet, which to me means that you don't believe that Leath needed the extra time. Which is it?

The question is "how much time was needed". Was it really necessary to take an entire month to make a decision on a case, in which the facts of the case did not change at any point in time during that month?

I get that this probably has very little to do with Leath, he's just the face to blame for making that actual statement. What I'm sure happened is that his legal advisors said "Do this xyz," and that's what he did and moved on with his day. I see it being by no means an unilateral move.

It would make more sense that they needed more time, if the facts of the case changed during that time. It seems apparent that they didn't, so I don't really understand why Leath and his people didn't just end it as quickly as possible and be done with it. That confuses me. Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether they needed more time or not. What matters is that they asked permission for more time, and weren't told "no" by Bubu and his team, as you pointed out. That part certainly isn't Leath's fault.
 

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Freddie didn't play Bubu after he was reinstated to the team in his senior season. I wonder why he didn't use him after Bubu had successfully played the remainder of his junior year (including two NCAA tourney games). I am sure Leath's (and Pollard's) strong stand against Bubu had nothing to do with Fred's decision.

I say blame Fred...:jimlad:
 

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It's perfectly reasonable to question why Iowa State acted the way it did. It's perfectly reasonable to question Palo's actions that night and beyond. It's perfectly reasonable to question the woman's behavior that night and beyond.

What is for sure is that at the very least, what happened that night sounds incredibly shady, and I for one am glad Leath kicked him off the team.

I'm also supportive of Palo's right to sue the woman and the university. I hope he doesn't get a dime from ISU because I think it was totally justified to kick him off the team but it's certainly up to him to pursue it.
Why do you think it is justified to kick him off the team but not kick him out of school?
 
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