Why do you think it is justified to kick him off the team but not kick him out of school?
I would have preferred they did both.
Why do you think it is justified to kick him off the team but not kick him out of school?
Sorry I was agreeing with you and adding my 2 cents. I read his opinion. Not the tribune article. He didnt paint Bubu as a an angel but also didn't paint him as a rapist which was my point (and yours).I'm not sure you meant to be responding to me here. Angie categorized his words as dour, and he did make some unflattering remarks about Bubu in his findings. I agreed that his words were dour, but that he also found insufficient evidence. I said nothing about dropping the case on a technicality...that was a different poster.
That is absolutely not what was said, nor implied.
I was referencing the dozens of posts in this thread that said, "I guess you've never been in college," "I guess you never got laid in college," and more. They essentially said, "This happens to everyone." I never said that anyone else raped anybody, I said that some of the comments like the above indicate that someone sees something of a situation in their past in this situation (which is EXACTLY what the above statements were saying), and are defensive about it. I don't at all think that is everyone on the other side, but there are some people posting here from a place of, "This is b.s., I've done something similar and it was fine."
Your paraphrase is ridiculous and insulting. You're reading into it things which aren't there.
That makes more sense in that context. To be fair your post didn't have that context and read (at least to me) like you were stating that posters who see this differently do so because they are seeing it through the lens of their own transgressions. I found that insulting and distasteful as someone who sees a lot of nuance in this and both sides. If that isn't what you meant my apologies I appreciate the clarification.
Kinda weird that you named all your sons Joe.
That is absolutely not what was said, nor implied.
I was referencing the dozens of posts in this thread that said, "I guess you've never been in college," "I guess you never got laid in college," and more. They essentially said, "This happens to everyone." I never said that anyone else raped anybody, I said that some of the comments like the above indicate that someone sees something of a situation in their past in this situation (which is EXACTLY what the above statements were saying), and are defensive about it. I don't at all think that is everyone on the other side, but there are some people posting here from a place of, "This is b.s., I've done something similar and it was fine."
Your paraphrase is ridiculous and insulting. You're reading into it things which aren't there.
I would never call anyone in here a rapist. I have very carefully not even called Bubu a rapist, unless it came out without me realizing it. I think Bubu made some terrible decisions that night, ones of which he should be cognizant as being questionable, even if the actual rape didn't happen. Bubu's continual quest for vindication and revenge legally does not show me that he has any self-realization.
I have said probably a dozen times in this thread that the victim was an idiot to tamper with evidence. However, I do not think that automatically implies that he's innocent - you will find that many victims do that out of desperation, given the current acquittal rates for sexual assault.
I don't think anyone owed Bubu anything. Not after the decisions he made. I believe Leath didn't want to rush to judgment here, because it WAS a huge decision. And what everyone forgets is that Leath isn't stupid - he knew that there would be a large number of people who would be ****** at kicking Bubu off the team. He knew that it would make him unpopular with some. You don't get to be the president of a major university by being dumb or vindictive, or bad at marketing - so, something in the evidence that he saw that we didn't was compelling enough for him to make a decision that would be unpopular. That's just Occam's razor. Claiming this is all some conspiracy against Bubu is tinfoil hat-level b.s.
This is a self righteous post from someone who has no clue what actually happened that night. No one does. To say it was a bad decision even if no rape occurred doesn't even make sense. So anytime people get wasted and hook up its a bad decision? And if it wasn't rape and he was wrongfully accused he has every right to go after her and the university and should.I would never call anyone in here a rapist. I have very carefully not even called Bubu a rapist, unless it came out without me realizing it. I think Bubu made some terrible decisions that night, ones of which he should be cognizant as being questionable, even if the actual rape didn't happen. Bubu's continual quest for vindication and revenge legally does not show me that he has any self-realization.
I'm not sure what else Leath is supposed to do in this situation. You don't need to be a lawyer to read a calendar, although this thread is making me wonder about some of you.Honest question - was there a paper trail of the request for delay of decision from ISU admin, and of agreement from both sides to the delay?
IIRC, Dr. Leath's off the cuff remarks to the press indicated that they had requested it due to his pre-scheduled trip, and "they didn't say no".
Actually there are many clues, certainly enough to have an opinion. And since when has an absence of factual information had anything to do with posting on this board? Read this thread, it's comical.This is a self righteous post from someone who has no clue what actually happened that night. No one does. To say it was a bad decision even if no rape occurred doesn't even make sense. So anytime people get wasted and hook up its a bad decision? And if it wasn't rape and he was wrongfully accused he has every right to go after her and the university and should.
Angie, you and I agree on a whole bunch of topics, but I think in this case you may be in your own little world here. I mean.. you are not even reading what I'm writing and inferring a WHOLE bunch of other **** that is completely out there in la la land. Seriously...
I NEVER said there was a conspiracy. ALL I SAID...was that Leath's decision was poorly timed and his delay cost Bubu a year of college basketball. He may have been trying to 'take his time' or think it through, but it doesn't really matter. All that matter is that his decision was delayed enough to prevent a possible transfer. Seriously...that is what we call a 'FACT'. It is my opinion (again..my opinion only, although it may be shared by others on this board) that this 'FACT' is cause for Bubu to sue ISU. Unfortunately, you are very emotional in this discussion and your arguments are getting more and more demeaning to those who disagree with you.
I'm not sure what else Leath is supposed to do in this situation. You don't need to be a lawyer to read a calendar, although this thread is making me wonder about some of you.
This is a self righteous post from someone who has no clue what actually happened that night. No one does. To say it was a bad decision even if no rape occurred doesn't even make sense. So anytime people get wasted and hook up its a bad decision? And if it wasn't rape and he was wrongfully accused he has every right to go after her and the university and should.
Shaq did similar.Kinda weird that you named all your sons Joe.
I would never call anyone in here a rapist. I have very carefully not even called Bubu a rapist, unless it came out without me realizing it. I think Bubu made some terrible decisions that night, ones of which he should be cognizant as being questionable, even if the actual rape didn't happen. Bubu's continual quest for vindication and revenge legally does not show me that he has any self-realization.
I would never call anyone in here a rapist. I have very carefully not even called Bubu a rapist, unless it came out without me realizing it. I think Bubu made some terrible decisions that night, ones of which he should be cognizant as being questionable, even if the actual rape didn't happen. Bubu's continual quest for vindication and revenge legally does not show me that he has any self-realization.
There have been plenty of glib comments in this thread such as college aged people wondering about whether they should hit it in front or behind or both rather than whether they have affirmative consent. I'm sure they are meant as jokes but really just add to the dehumanizing aspect of it all. And granted I come at it from a very specific place, having years ago worked with many abuse victims. Moreover, several times I have mentioned in various bad first date threads about my disaster of one that ended with the arrest of my date. And back in the middle ages when I was in college, I was in plenty of situations that made me afraid at 5'9" and 128 pounds. But all of these viewpoints and perceptions sometimes contribute to rape going unreported and rapists free to continue their behavior. Victims always believe that no one will believe them and they are truly the person who is on trial. And so many will seek help not from the courts but from intervention services, rape hotlines, counseling, etc. Others try and tough it out and suffer anxiety, depression, drug abuse, self-loathing, and suicidal thoughts.
We have also recently gone through a lot of off-the-wall comments from public figures using phrases such as "legitimate rape" and rationalizing sex with children when they look older than their chronological age. I guess we are in a better place than some countries in the world.:sad:
In hindsight, I should have given you the benefit of the doubt and that was hyberbole on my part; sleeping with someone intoxicated isn't rape, nor did you say it was. While I no doubt agree that some here are biased by there own experiences i just thought you were making a leap painting us all with that brush. Now that I know that wasn't your intention I do feel like a jerk for makilng that accusation in haste as I do agree with you with you 95% of the time and when I dont i respect your opinion. Again my apologies. I should have taken the Gossamer approach and asked for clarification before jumping to conclusions.