Bubu Suing ISU

[MeowingCows]

Honestly, discussion has gotten a lot more rational the last few pages.

It's easier to explain and flesh out current arguments than it is to start/defend new ones.

 

[carvers4math]

Based on Bubu's current suing streak, that could be happening no matter what.

I'm sure we'll get there eventually. So we can have another thread.

 

[cyhiphopp]

I'm sure we'll get there eventually. So we can have another thread.

YAY!

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Why do you think it is justified to kick him off the team but not kick him out of school?

That has been a problem from the get go for me when considering the ISU administration's stance, and is part of why I don't understand their decisions and the moves they made.

 

[MeowingCows]

I'm sure we'll get there eventually. So we can have another thread.

Then we can talk about "lost wages due to Bubu's lawyer dragging his feet and preventing Bubu from playing another D-League season to develop into an NBA/Europe talent"!

 

[IAStubborn]

According to the findings of Administrative Law Judge John Priester in a separate case over sexual misconduct sanctions ISU handed Palo, Cruise raped the alleged victim and left the room. Palo came into the room immediately afterward, Priester found, and had sex with the still-traumatized woman, who did not verbally consent but did not convey a lack of consent. - See more at: http://amestrib.com/news/trial-set-palo-defamation-suit#.dpuf
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Doesn't sound like there was much of a mood to kill. Reading this gives me little sympathy for Bubu. This is the findings of the judge who did not punish Bubu's because he is required to have a higher standard of proof. He did conclude that there was a rape and that at very least Bubu took advantage of the situation immediately afterwards while the girl was still traumatized. I've seen a few cases of totally made up rape charges, they looked nothing like this. Just because he wasn't convincted doesn't mean he didn't violate the code of student conduct and basic human decency. Bubu definitely won't get anything for his "damaged" pro career and hopefully will loose the case.

If he truly knew she was traumatized and then took advantage of her as you claim, yes he is quilty. But that is not the conclusion the judge made as you state. He concluded based on prior text messages and the recorded call between the two the following morning it was clear Bubu believed they had engaged in consensual sex and that Spencer did not.

 

[carvers4math]

Then we can talk about "lost wages due to Bubu's lawyer dragging his feet and preventing Bubu from playing another D-League season to develop into an NBA/Europe talent"!

It seems a little odd to me that the current suit is based upon the delay in the decision since Leath contacted the lawyer about it and there was no objection. Unless it is kind of a lawyer full employment strategy.

 

[Angie]

In fairness, that same logic could be applied to the other side as well: people who can see themselves or close friends in the victim, so as to sympathize to that more than what would be logically fair as well. That definitely goes both ways.

I think so. I know that my knowledge of victims in other situations makes me sympathetic. Me having a daughter is also a big part of it. I've gotten lots of PMs and rep, and a lot of it is from fathers of daughters.

 

[Angie]

Bubu's D league stats are pretty damn comparable to Chris Allen's D league stats

And Chris Allen is still in the D-league. Not in Europe, not in the pros.

 

[Angie]

It's perfectly reasonable to question why Iowa State acted the way it did. It's perfectly reasonable to question Palo's actions that night and beyond. It's perfectly reasonable to question the woman's behavior that night and beyond.

What is for sure is that at the very least, what happened that night sounds incredibly shady, and I for one am glad Leath kicked him off the team.

I'm also supportive of Palo's right to sue the woman and the university. I hope he doesn't get a dime from ISU because I think it was totally justified to kick him off the team but it's certainly up to him to pursue it.

Bryce put it more succinctly than I have.

 

[MeowingCows]

It seems a little odd to me that the current suit is based upon the delay in the decision since Leath contacted the lawyer about it and there was no objection. Unless it is kind of a lawyer full employment strategy.

I find that odd as well. I can only his that either Bubu('s lawyer) is still desperate for more payback and is reaching anywhere he can to find some, or there's some details surrounding that ordeal that aren't public knowledge yet.

 

[carvers4math]

I think so. I know that my knowledge of victims in other situations makes me sympathetic. Me having a daughter is a big part of it. I've gotten lots of PMs and rep, and a lot of it is from fathers of daughters.

The comments make me relieved I only have sons. Every time any athlete is ever accused of anything, so many just immediately rush to attack the accuser. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her anywhere near any athlete. Or probably man for that matter.:twitcy:

 

[ImJustKCClone]

I find that odd as well. I can only his that either Bubu('s lawyer) is still desperate for more payback and is reaching anywhere he can to find some, or there's some details surrounding that ordeal that aren't public knowledge yet.

Honest question - was there a paper trail of the request for delay of decision from ISU admin, and of agreement from both sides to the delay?

IIRC, Dr. Leath's off the cuff remarks to the press indicated that they had requested it due to his pre-scheduled trip, and "they didn't say no".

 

[Gossamer]

I think so. I know that my knowledge of victims in other situations makes me sympathetic. Me having a daughter is a big part of it. I've gotten lots of PMs and rep, and a lot of it is from fathers of daughters.

Angie...I have two daughters and I want to be clear with you that we most likely agree upon the facts that led up to this thread...but when it comes to the topic at hand and whether Bubu has a reason or a right to sue, I believe he does and can understand, from his viewpoint, why.

Doesn't make me like him. Doesn't make me hope he wins.

 

[VeloClone]

The comments make me relieved I only have sons. Every time any athlete is ever accused of anything, so many just immediately rush to attack the accuser. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her anywhere near any athlete. Or probably man for that matter.:twitcy:

It would be pretty tough for your hypothetical daughter to play any team sports if she can't be anywhere near any athletes.

I know that wasn't what you meant, but I do have daughters and coach girls and the lack of recognition that girls and women can be athletes too drives me crazy.

 

[MeowingCows]

The comments make me relieved I only have sons. Every time any athlete is ever accused of anything, so many just immediately rush to attack the accuser. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her anywhere near any athlete. Or probably man for that matter.:twitcy:

Sons are no safer than daughters from this kind of stuff. It does happen both ways. And, instilling a culture of fear towards men is not helping either party involved.

 

[MeowingCows]

Honest question - was there a paper trail of the request for delay of decision from ISU admin, and of agreement from both sides to the delay?

IIRC, Dr. Leath's off the cuff remarks to the press indicated that they had requested it due to his pre-scheduled trip, and "they didn't say no".

No idea on the paper trail. If there is one, none of us here will ever find it.

 

[jkclone]

The comments make me relieved I only have sons. Every time any athlete is ever accused of anything, so many just immediately rush to attack the accuser. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her anywhere near any athlete. Or probably man for that matter.:twitcy:

This is funny because I don't want to have a son because of situations like this.

 

[IAStubborn]

I think so. I know that my knowledge of victims in other situations makes me sympathetic. Me having a daughter is a big part of it. I've gotten lots of PMs and rep, and a lot of it is from fathers of daughters.

I am sympathetic too. However, I am also a big believer in due process both in courts and our institutions. I also am fully cognizant that there are situations of honest misinterpretation. It isn't always black and white. The ALJ believed that Bubu and the victim planned to have consensual sex based on text message's and that isn't me saying she asked for it) and then Spencer raped her. He then determined there was at least a better than 50/50 chance Bubu did not pick up in the change in situation. I don't know what happened but an ALJ made this conclusion after seeing all of the facts and their conversation the next day. He also concluded Spencer likely raped her. Hence based on that there are likely 2 victims and one perpetrator that got away with rape and that sucks. I feel for this young women and I feel horrible she had to go through it kmowing she was a victim of rape. bIt is BS for those on here to atrack her. I wish Bubu would let it go at this point. I also wish this girl would sue the **** out of Spencer. Or better yet Bubu sue Spencer instead of ISU because even if his story is true it is really Spencer's actions that caused him to be lumped into a rape allegation.

 

[LindenCy]

Sons are no safer than daughters from this kind of stuff. It does happen both ways. And, instilling a culture of fear towards men is not helping either party involved.

Instilling a culture of honor and character for both sexes would help everyone.