Honestly, discussion has gotten a lot more rational the last few pages.
It's easier to explain and flesh out current arguments than it is to start/defend new ones.
Honestly, discussion has gotten a lot more rational the last few pages.
Based on Bubu's current suing streak, that could be happening no matter what.
I'm sure we'll get there eventually. So we can have another thread.
Why do you think it is justified to kick him off the team but not kick him out of school?
I'm sure we'll get there eventually. So we can have another thread.
If he truly knew she was traumatized and then took advantage of her as you claim, yes he is quilty. But that is not the conclusion the judge made as you state. He concluded based on prior text messages and the recorded call between the two the following morning it was clear Bubu believed they had engaged in consensual sex and that Spencer did not.According to the findings of Administrative Law Judge John Priester in a separate case over sexual misconduct sanctions ISU handed Palo, Cruise raped the alleged victim and left the room. Palo came into the room immediately afterward, Priester found, and had sex with the still-traumatized woman, who did not verbally consent but did not convey a lack of consent. - See more at: http://amestrib.com/news/trial-set-palo-defamation-suit#.dpufDoesn't sound like there was much of a mood to kill. Reading this gives me little sympathy for Bubu. This is the findings of the judge who did not punish Bubu's because he is required to have a higher standard of proof. He did conclude that there was a rape and that at very least Bubu took advantage of the situation immediately afterwards while the girl was still traumatized. I've seen a few cases of totally made up rape charges, they looked nothing like this. Just because he wasn't convincted doesn't mean he didn't violate the code of student conduct and basic human decency. Bubu definitely won't get anything for his "damaged" pro career and hopefully will loose the case.
Then we can talk about "lost wages due to Bubu's lawyer dragging his feet and preventing Bubu from playing another D-League season to develop into an NBA/Europe talent"!
In fairness, that same logic could be applied to the other side as well: people who can see themselves or close friends in the victim, so as to sympathize to that more than what would be logically fair as well. That definitely goes both ways.
Bubu's D league stats are pretty damn comparable to Chris Allen's D league stats
It's perfectly reasonable to question why Iowa State acted the way it did. It's perfectly reasonable to question Palo's actions that night and beyond. It's perfectly reasonable to question the woman's behavior that night and beyond.
What is for sure is that at the very least, what happened that night sounds incredibly shady, and I for one am glad Leath kicked him off the team.
I'm also supportive of Palo's right to sue the woman and the university. I hope he doesn't get a dime from ISU because I think it was totally justified to kick him off the team but it's certainly up to him to pursue it.
It seems a little odd to me that the current suit is based upon the delay in the decision since Leath contacted the lawyer about it and there was no objection. Unless it is kind of a lawyer full employment strategy.
I think so. I know that my knowledge of victims in other situations makes me sympathetic. Me having a daughter is a big part of it. I've gotten lots of PMs and rep, and a lot of it is from fathers of daughters.
I find that odd as well. I can only his that either Bubu('s lawyer) is still desperate for more payback and is reaching anywhere he can to find some, or there's some details surrounding that ordeal that aren't public knowledge yet.
I think so. I know that my knowledge of victims in other situations makes me sympathetic. Me having a daughter is a big part of it. I've gotten lots of PMs and rep, and a lot of it is from fathers of daughters.
The comments make me relieved I only have sons. Every time any athlete is ever accused of anything, so many just immediately rush to attack the accuser. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her anywhere near any athlete. Or probably man for that matter.:twitcy:
The comments make me relieved I only have sons. Every time any athlete is ever accused of anything, so many just immediately rush to attack the accuser. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her anywhere near any athlete. Or probably man for that matter.:twitcy:
Honest question - was there a paper trail of the request for delay of decision from ISU admin, and of agreement from both sides to the delay?
IIRC, Dr. Leath's off the cuff remarks to the press indicated that they had requested it due to his pre-scheduled trip, and "they didn't say no".
The comments make me relieved I only have sons. Every time any athlete is ever accused of anything, so many just immediately rush to attack the accuser. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her anywhere near any athlete. Or probably man for that matter.:twitcy:
I think so. I know that my knowledge of victims in other situations makes me sympathetic. Me having a daughter is a big part of it. I've gotten lots of PMs and rep, and a lot of it is from fathers of daughters.
Sons are no safer than daughters from this kind of stuff. It does happen both ways. And, instilling a culture of fear towards men is not helping either party involved.