BYU & ND to the BIG12...!?

[Al_4_State]

ND isn't going to join. The comments that ND can't get in to the playoff because they don't play a conference championship, were made to make fun of the decision. A 1 loss ND, probably would have bumped Ohio State. No way ND doesn't get in. No way they join the Big 12.

BYU? Not a bad choice over-all, but I think it would be a big **** on WVU, putting a team in that's two time-zones away. We need to give them a couple of regional partners, not make them have to travel further (not so much distance, but the time zones are a big deal 8:00pm BBall game in Utah, is 10pm WVU time.

There obviously wasn't a lot of foresight by the big 12 powers when they made the TCU and WVU grabs. They basically went for who they thought they could get. Now, if there is expansion, it's tough, because you can't spread your conference over the whole country. It's fine for football, but makes a real nightmare for almost every other sport.

All that being said, I'm still not sold that expansion is the best solution. ESPN, plenty of talking heads are going to convince you that a playoff is what you need, because it means more money for them. More than likely, the Baylor KSU game would have been the championship game anyways, so why didn't that count for anything. Highly doubtful that Baylor would have played TCU, so that's an idiotic point I heard a couple of times on ESPN on Saturday. No use talking about it ESPN, it wouldn't have happened. Ohio St. should have played Michigan St. by the ESPN logic I was hearing.

No conference championship, was just a convenient excuse and they latched on to it. If we would have played a championship game, they would have had another reason why the Big 12 was left out.

WVU was far and away the best program available back then. They had a 10 year run prior that exceeded anything any of the teams who left the Big 12 had done, and were strong in all revenue sports.

The biggest reason, IMO, that the Big 12 got hosed was because it wasn't won by a blue blood. It was won by small private schools who have little historical success.

 

[CF_Cyclone]

Only way Notre Dame joins a conference in football is if they lose their NBC deal or it is required for playoffs. That is a cash cow for the university. ACC is a really good fit for some of their programs like soccer. Old alumni will never forget some of the bigotry and boycotting Yost and Michigan unleashed on Notre Dame, so no way they ever join the B1G. If they ever lose the NBC deal and feel they have to join a conference in football, it will be ACC most likely, I suppose they would consider Big 12.

In football, if they join a conference, they will be stretched a bit because of the teams they always want to play. They will always play Navy, unless Navy no longer wants the game, because they credit the Navy with saving the university during WW II. They will always probably try and play USC because they picked up that game during the Yost boycott. Not sure if their ACC deal lets them always keep Michigan State and Purdue, but I am sure they would like to as I believe they may have ignored Yost's call for a midwestern boycott at least some years.

I believe part of ND agreement with the ACC is that if they join a conference the ACC they would join the ACC, or pay them a big buyout.

 

[drlove]

Had Baylor's PR firm been smart, they would have changed the Bears colors to Burnt Orange for the game last Saturday and they would have gotten in.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

I guess I just don't see it this way. ND is a media darling. They love to talk about ND, they used to do just about anything to get them in the BCS, even with more losses than every other team available. They are always ranked unless they totally **** the bed. They have a lot easier road to the final 4 doing it like they do now, being able to basically pick and choose their schedule. They'll never be tied to 9 conference games and can go ahead and keep their schedule about half full of cupcake games.

The ND name definitely holds more wather than TCU or Baylor. No way a 1 loss ND gets left out of this years playoff. As has been said a lot already. The non-championship game was just a convenient excuse. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that that the committee called ND right after the game and emphasized to them, "Don't worry, this championship thing doesn't pertain to you."

The only way ND ever joins a conference, is if the committee comes out and says there is a rule, "To qualify, you must play in a conference championship game." Even at that point, I still wonder if ND looks at all their piles of money and wonder if a title is really worth sharing some of that cash.

Hell, don't fool yourselves. If Miss. St. wouldn't have lost their last game, they wouldn't have played in the championship game and yet, they would have been in the playoff. Until they lost, it was pretty much a sealed deal that they were in as well as Alabama.

I'm curious to know what the current monetary difference would be for ND if they joined a conference (splitting their wealth) versus "eliminating" themselves from playoff contention by not joining a power 5 conference. That's a hard number to quantify since variables like merchandising are a little hard to predict, not to mention the intangible benefits to recruiting.

It's probably a moot point since the tv contracts would get renegotiated to account for the higher draw for the ND fanbase.

 

[mj4cy]

I think Notre Dame would join the Big 12 if the money was there.


It'd be tough on their scheduling though. Would be tough to keep Navy, Stanford, and USC every year. Almost would have to go back to 8 conference games so they can ensure 7 home games and most of their traditional matchups.

 

[dualthreat]

Having and sharing opinions is pretty much why this forum is here. The problem is people starting new threads for every opinion when there are already several talking about the same thing.

The only two thread types allowed are which coaches need to be fired and potential basketball starting lineups.

 

[ILiftWithRoyce]

Probably already been stated, buy ND has a deal with the ACC for football, I am pretty sure

 

[kingcy]

Why add two teams that have had good football programs historically? Do what he Big 10 did and add some bad teams that give wins to the conference powers, so they can get into the playoff. Adding BYU and ND does nothing to help ISU.

 

[HFCS]

Probably already been stated, buy ND has a deal with the ACC for football, I am pretty sure

A deal that LOCKS THEM OUT of the playoffs. (Note I'm being sarcastic when I imply that the committee is being remotely honest when they say you need to win a championship game to get in the playoff)

 

[State43]

From an ISU perspective I think we are better off staying at 10 and collecting more of the pie (versus having the TV loot being split between 12 teams). Its not like we have to worry about being left out of the football final four anytime soon.

so what loot are YOU getting? I hear a lot of people say things like this but what has changed besides a tougher schedule that we often can't overcome nor get national credit for as evidence with the selection bs.

 

[SCarolinaCy]

Because a 10 team big 12 sucks for ISU as a fan. That is my biggest reason for expansion.

Disagree. Takeaway any of the 4-5 Big Xll brand teams coming to Jack Trice each year,,and you are going to have half full stadium.

 

[urb1]

Why would we want North Dakota in the conference anyway?

 

[Cybyassociation]

ND will never join the BigXII. Go home. You're drunk.

 

[State43]

Disagree. Takeaway any of the 4-5 Big Xll brand teams coming to Jack Trice each year,,and you are going to have half full stadium.

As evidence of what? Jack Trice attendance was on the up before the 10 team BS started. Was our stadium half full for the NDS and Toledo games this season?

 

[Dreamyfred]

Why do people think we should expand? Even if the Big 12 did have a conference championship game, they still wouldn't have gotten a team in over Ohio $tate. The Big 12 is just going to need Texas and OU to step it up.

How bout cuz we are called the Big 12 and have 10 fkn teams. That itself is means for expansion

 

[CyBobby]

Notre Dame is never going to join the big xii...I'm not so sure that the ten members of the big xii wants to let a lesser school/ athletic department in on their Monetary Bonanza.

One True Champion has turned into NONE True Chmpion.....Way 2 go BowlsBuy...

 

[Gonzo]

I think ND is at a point where they have to join a conference. They saw the statement the playoff committee made, you have to win a conference Championship to get in the playoffs. ND won’t join the BIG10 as the BIG10 is full (14), SEC (too far south) or ACC (too weak), too far for the PAC12, so that leaves the BIG 12 as the last remaining power five. I know they have alliances with the Big East, but they are nto a power five conference so that does ND no good.

ND could join any conference it wants. Big 12 would be way down on that list.

 

[Clonefan94]

I'm curious to know what the current monetary difference would be for ND if they joined a conference (splitting their wealth) versus "eliminating" themselves from playoff contention by not joining a power 5 conference. That's a hard number to quantify since variables like merchandising are a little hard to predict, not to mention the intangible benefits to recruiting.

It's probably a moot point since the tv contracts would get renegotiated to account for the higher draw for the ND fanbase.

I just said I wonder, because it has been money and their ability to make their own schedule that has kept them from joining a conference up to this point. They've been pretty staunch in remaining independent and I don't think it would be an easy move for them. Really though, you are right, it is a moot point because there is no "rule" that says you have to play in a championship game. As I said earlier, if Miss. St. had finished with only one loss, it was a given they were in. So, no "Championship Game" rule will ever be made because it would immediately eliminate the possibility of 2 SEC teams getting in.

Also, it was stated, win or lose, Alabama was in. So what's the point of the championship game if it doesn't matter? If that's the case, then the 9 conference games that TCU and Baylor had played equaled that of Alabama.

In my opinon, all along, I would have been fine with the committee just coming out and saying, "We liked OSU better" instead of tacking on all the BS about the championship game. It was an excuse and ultimately a ruse to take away from the fact that they wanted Ohio State in there for the name.

So too my original point, ND will not have to play a championship game to get into the playoff. They don't need a conference and certainly aren't joining the Big 12.

 

[HoiBallNation]

Well for one, if the conference grows, we don't haev to play as many conference games, which opens up the opportunity to play other mid major schools, or smaller school that we have a better chance of beating. Ultimately strenghtening our chances to make a bowl game each year.

 

[cygrads]

BYU is a solid add and the big12 should add them now rather than waiting for something to happen. BYU would not take any money away from the original 10 and with BYU added we could go back to 8 conf games and 4 non conf which increases our chances at a bowl game.