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Alexa please define recruiting footprint.

Some people are so just so myopic.

Honestly, I hope Campbell can stop being a control freak, which clearly ISN'T working on offense, and turns the whole thing over to Nate.

Let him run with it.

Let Rocco audible.

Tell the offense to remember their coaching, play for the guy next to them, and just have fun.

ISU doesn't seem to have fun anymore.

Everyone plays so tight because they are so afraid of mistakes, which actually creates more mistake.

So Rivals are determined by your recruiting footprint? Gee and I thought you actually PLAYED your rivals.

We outrecruited Alabama for Brock Purdy. The epic Iowa State—Alabama rivalry game will be played when?
 

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Alexa please define recruiting footprint.

Some people are so just so myopic.

Honestly, I hope Campbell can stop being a control freak, which clearly ISN'T working on offense, and turns the whole thing over to Nate.

Let him run with it.

Let Rocco audible.

Tell the offense to remember their coaching, play for the guy next to them, and just have fun.

ISU doesn't seem to have fun anymore.

Everyone plays so tight because they are so afraid of mistakes, which actually creates more mistake.
Honest question. Do you wake up and ask yourself “how many dumb things can I post on cyclonefanatic today?”
 
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We didn’t need to do a hurry up vs Iowa. We needed to score, stop their offense, get the ball back, and score again. We had a chance to do all of that. I’ll continue to trust the man getting paid millions to run the program, not some madden all star.

With how good Iowa’s defense is, if we ran a hurry up and went 3 and out, burning 20 seconds off the clock, that only hurts our defense. …our defense that we have to heavily lean on to win games for us this year. Stick to your recliner.

Yes the clock management was actually pretty good, it was the 4th down play that ended the game that was the real problem in that phase of the game.
 

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Yes the clock management was actually pretty good, it was the 4th down play that ended the game that was the real problem in that phase of the game.
And the call on 4th down that ended the game was a perfect call. Rocco just needed to pull it and he had nothing but green grass in front of him. Now, is that him being a young, inexperienced QB trusting our Mack truck of a RB and our OL to get us one yard, or poor execution due to coaching? Who knows, but at the end of the day, Rocco‘s the QB, the coaches aren’t out there playing
 

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And the call on 4th down that ended the game was a perfect call. Rocco just needed to pull it and he had nothing but green grass in front of him. Now, is that him being a young, inexperienced QB trusting our Mack truck of a RB and our OL to get us one yard, or poor execution due to coaching? Who knows, but at the end of the day, Rocco‘s the QB, the coaches aren’t out there playing

I’m blaming the play call there. Iowa obviously knew he wasn’t going to keep it.
 
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I think that it was a combination of youth needing more reps and technique training, and using restricted plays.

The RPO appeared to always be hand off the ball to the right, no QB runs/passes which would have opened up the RB handoff option. There was never anyone covering the QB after about the third time it was used. Iowa then focused on and piled on the RB. This can be fixed by simply using all three options.

The problem with the passes looked primarily like receiver route and technique errors, which should be fixable. Our best pass plays in the past were to the TE. How about more this year.

There is not much to say about running up the middle. Uff Da!
Very few ever run an RPO where a QB run is part of the decision. It's almost always pull it and hit the route or give it the RB. I'm not sure how a RPO with a triple option baked in would even work. What would they be reading? Yes, there are some you could consider RPO plays where it's either a pass or QB run, but that is more typically just a pass play where if your first read isn't there the QB takes off. That's a lot of the Vince Young offense at Texas. But that wasn't really a design, it was simply trying to set him up for success - if your primary isn't open, take off.

You're either running an RPO where you're hitting the slant (or other route) or giving to the RB. Or you're running a read option, which is solely a running play where you give or keep.

I can see not running a bunch of true read option because unless your QB is an elite runner, the DE (or read defender) is going to crash on the give usually and make the QB keep.

As for ISU moving away from the RPO, it didn't make sense. ISU ran it a lot with Kempt and with Purdy early on. It's a real ***** to defend, and if your QB is good at it you should run it a lot. I really think the reason OCs don't like it as much is because they have little control. It's a simple play with a few limited wrinkles, and you're relying on a QB making the decision.
 
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Campbell’s had eight years to learn clock management and offensive schemes/play calling. I want him to stay, but if he can’t learn the basics, why the hell is he our HC?

1) Learn how to actually manage a football game;
2) Delegate to someone who actually knows how to manage a football game; or
3) Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Again, it been eight years. How are we not at (3)?

There is no way this guy is actually suggesting that we fire the most successful coach in ISU history after 1 bad season......
 
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Speaking of this, what are the thoughts about this game (ISU v Iowa) continuing? I think both sides would want it to continue if there weren't any outside pressure.

The pressure I'm thinking about is what will happen to this game if and when the B1G goes to a 10 game conference schedule and have they announced this already? What if the Big 12 does the same? This game then might be in serious jeopardy.
Even though Iowa State hasn't been winning this game, it is still the most anticipated game and a fun game to have on our schedule. I hope we keep it on our schedule but I swear all I see on Twitter is hawkeye fans talking about how it is a worthless game for them
 
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Under the new staff, KU has gone from 111th in offense, to 21st last year, to 26th this year.

ISU 43rd(with NFL talent at QB, RB, WR, and TE) 113th last year, 112th this year.

I get it with the namecalling and personal attacks.

It's a story as old as time.

People have always hated those that told the truth.

We've wasted an elite defense.

And there are no excuses for such inept offensive performances in year 8, and a man paid $4 million a year to run a competent offense.

Curious, do people think playmakers at WR are going to even look at ISU? Why?
 

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Idk if scheme is the issue though. It's being conservative and not creative. To do so though, you have to get a run game going. Our OL was okay against UNI in the run and bad against Iowa, which isn't shocking. Nate needs those guys to help out the passing game.
Seems like there is fundamental flaw in the passing game, specifically as it pertains to WR routes. People blame our lack of WR production on the talent, but I am not convinced. We have recruited that room well by the ranking systems. Guys are failing to get open because of long routes that take too long to develop IMO. Combine that with an OL that in recent history has struggled to give the QB more than 3 seconds to throw the ball consistently, and we might just have an issue that is more systemic in its nature. That is the kind of Paul Rhoads stink that people are worried we are beginning to smell.
 

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I hope Dean figures it out blocking because even in the UNI game he struggled.
Here in lies the biggest problem with converting a High School QB to a TE at the college level. Athletically he has been able to make the switch. Teaching that physical mentality isn't a flip that can easily be switched. If it has not flipped by now, his 5th year in the program, it isn't going to most likely.
 

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I think it's pretty obvious Campbell is calling plays.

We have a new coordinator and they still insist on going shotgun and handing the ball off to a player with no momentum 5 yards behind the LOS when we need a couple feet.
I do prefer going under center on short plays, because it gives the option of a QB sneak. But if it's a handoff, does it actually matter where it happens? As long as they aren't in pistol formation, they still have to run the same distance. The only difference is whether they get the ball at the start of the run or in the middle.

Here's an article using 2019 NFL data that found that runs from shotgun were more effective on average, even in short down and distance scenarios.
 

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I do prefer going under center on short plays, because it gives the option of a QB sneak. But if it's a handoff, does it actually matter where it happens? As long as they aren't in pistol formation, they still have to run the same distance. The only difference is whether they get the ball at the start of the run or in the middle.

Here's an article using 2019 NFL data that found that runs from shotgun were more effective on average, even in short down and distance scenarios.

It matters depending on your RBs. If you have guys with great burst and vision, sure run a zone scheme. Some backs need a downhill start, though, so to speak. Both Sama and Norton had multiple horizontal and backwards carries, which is something Campbells offense simply can't dig itself out of.

I think they could benefit from some more pulling linemen, but that's something I think we rarely see from Campbell.
 

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There is no way this guy is actually suggesting that we fire the most successful coach in ISU history after 1 bad season......

I don't know how many good seasons we're going to have in the future, when--during one of the games that gets this programs the most exposure--the announcers are openly pondering why our offense/clock management is so incompetent, and the fans are booing. That's definitely going to have an impact on recruiting, which is already difficult as it is.
 

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Campbell’s had eight years to learn clock management and offensive schemes/play calling. I want him to stay, but if he can’t learn the basics, why the hell is he our HC?

1) Learn how to actually manage a football game;
2) Delegate to someone who actually knows how to manage a football game; or
3) Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Again, it been eight years. How are we not at (3)?
What was wrong with his clock management?
 

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I don't know how many good seasons we're going to have in the future, when--during one of the games that gets this programs the most exposure--the announcers are openly pondering why our offense/clock management is so incompetent, and the fans are booing. That's definitely going to have an impact on recruiting, which is already difficult as it is.

This is true. Being competitive definitely impacted in state recruiting at least back in the day. Wasn't there a guy on Iowa's defense that they pointed out was from Ames ? It was hard to hear the broadcast where I was watching.
 

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This is true. Being competitive definitely impacted in state recruiting at least back in the day. Wasn't there a guy on Iowa's defense that they pointed out was from Ames ? It was hard to hear the broadcast where I was watching.
Yes. The announcers seemed to point out his Ames origins every 5 minutes.
 

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We outrecruited Alabama for Brock Purdy. The epic Iowa State—Alabama rivalry game will be played when
Brock was quoted last year saying Saben basically didn’t know who he was when he talked to him.

Yes, they did offer him but I’m guessing it was more of a depth offer considering the QB’s they did have. To say we “out-recruited” them is a reach.

 

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We didn’t need to do a hurry up vs Iowa. We needed to score, stop their offense, get the ball back, and score again. We had a chance to do all of that. I’ll continue to trust the man getting paid millions to run the program, not some madden all star.

With how good Iowa’s defense is, if we ran a hurry up and went 3 and out, burning 20 seconds off the clock, that only hurts our defense. …our defense that we have to heavily lean on to win games for us this year. Stick to your recliner.
What ISU needed to do was score 21 points over 60 minutes of FB and they didn't. Maybe try to get something done in the first three quarters so you don't have to score 20 points in the 4th???