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I mow an 800' long section of ditch that is attached to my property and adjacent to a 4 lane highway. I pick up an average of 1/4 of a garbage bag every 5 days when I am mowing peak season. There aren't as many Fireball 100 and 300 ml plastic bottles as there are beer and soda cans, but there are surprising a lot of these specific containers, must be popular stuff.

There are definitely soda bottles and, of course, no plastic beer bottles, but the beer cans seem to outnumber the soda cans. I think that may be because people discard the beer cans as evidence more than the soda cans. Not sure. But, I'd bet I pull 2 to 3 redeemable cans and a bottle or two every 5 days of various varieties of soda and beer. (When my wife and I walk the gravel road that comes off that 4 lane, we pick up 99% beer cans there. Not a ton of other trash there. This IS evidence disposing I'm pretty sure.) Non-redeemable plastic bottles, fast food refuse of all sorts, and other food containers, especially chip sacks and empty cigarette containers are more prevalent and the biggest filler of the bag really is building material waste. It's bulky, so it takes up more room.

The 4 lane goes to the county dump, so a lot of that blows off of people's trucks and trailers when they don't cover them OR they have the flappy tarps not secured. I don't think they mean to litter, but they might be the biggest culprit on my section of road. That is negligence more than actually making the decision to litter.

I do believe though, that many of the things that I find are simply discarded directly from the user out the window of their car. For instance the cigarette containers are usually in pristine condition, just laying there a few feet off the road. It also seems that the well put back together fast food sacks with the wrappers crumpled up and put back in fully intact are another example of the kind of things that are probably thrown out the window. I find it amazing after all the years of advertising and messaging that people still think its OK to litter. Sad statement on our society.

I just can't conceive of consciously throwing anything out my car window and never have. I can't understand why anyone would or ever could. Are there good arguments FOR littering?

OK, I know this discussion has gone from redeeming bottles and cans to littering, so I will steer it back to this. Even if you don't believe in the redemption system, is there a good reason to at least throw your bottles and cans in the trash instead of out the window? OR is that incredibly inconvenient and economically disadvantageous as well?
I may or may not have littered specific items (redeemable) when I was in high school. Outside of that, I don’t understand it.

I now wonder if there are studies that smokers are worse litter bugs than non smokers. It seems that many smokers think it’s totally fine to just drop a cigarette, step on it and walk away. Our church has a hospital next to it. The employees can not smoke on the grounds so several will sit in our parking lot/s and smoke there. Have to go out with blowers and clean stuff up for funerals or bigger events at the church.
 
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When we sold aluminum to the scrap yard in town (before can redemption), we used to put sand in some of the cans before crushing them. I'll probably wind up in Hell for that little maneuver.
Seems like a lot of work for a little amount.
 

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I may or may not have littered specific items (redeemable) when I was in high school. Outside of that, I don’t understand it.

I now wonder if there are studies that smokers are worse litter bugs than non smokers. It seems that many smokers think it’s totally fine to just drop a cigarette, step on it and walk away. Our church has a hospital next to it. The employees can not smoke on the grounds so several will sit in our parking lot/s and smoke there. Have to go out with blowers and clean stuff up for funerals or bigger events at the church.

I don't find the butts in the ditch, they are probably too small.

I HAVE reamed some of the folks that I have work on my place (what I don't do myself) when I find a cigarette butt. First, I place a stipulation that I don't really want smoking on my property at all. But, you can't find a crew that doesn't have someone that needs to smoke to function (its an addiction, so I get it and help is hard to find.) I place sand containers out for them and tell them that I do not want to find ANY butts and they still leave them. Those things just don't disintegrate.

However, I have one guy that I have used for several years that smokes and he is very respectful, doesn't smoke in any of my buildings and carries a container to put his butts in and takes them with him. I appreciate the heck out of that guy.
 

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My road side clean is 90% of three categories. Fast food/pop cans, alcohol (beer cans, fireball bottles, etc), and tobacco products. All things that are bad for you (not that I am a saint) that people feel then can just throw out and it magically disappears. I detest people that litter. I think the bottle bill does help, but it needs to be increased.
 

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However, I have one guy that I have used for several years that smokes and he is very respectful, doesn't smoke in any of my buildings and carries a container to put his butts in and takes them with him. I appreciate the heck out of that guy.
Most likely he is scavenging whatever tobacco he can out of the butts and rolling his own at home.

:D
 

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one of the very few things Oregon has gotten right. They have a $.10 per can/bottle deposit, with centers that you can return them in bags with a tag that ties to your account so you can get the $$ back on a card. Local retailers will redeem the card value at 120% of actual deposits to promote local businesses. Works pretty well actually....

Oregon bottle drop
 
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one of the very few things Oregon has gotten right. They have a $.10 per can/bottle deposit, with centers that you can return them in bags with a tag that ties to your account so you can get the $$ back on a card. Local retailers will redeem the card value at 1.2% of actual deposits to promote local businesses. Works pretty well actually....

Oregon bottle drop
1.2%? Why even bother?
 

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I can do math. I know what my time is worth, and I know what I get for feeding a bag of cans into the machine at Hy-Vee.

Winner winner chicken dinner! Not even close to worth my time on the deposit. We do recycle everything possible and now that we have a decent back yard would like to start composting to reduce our waste even more. We don't drink a lot of canned drinks as it is the the time/return is just not worth it. Maybe a case of lacroix and a few bottles of wine a month would be it. The deposit is the "cost of doing business" in my eyes. The intent to keep stuff out of the landfill can be achieved by recycling with little cost/investment on my part.
 

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I mow an 800' long section of ditch that is attached to my property and adjacent to a 4 lane highway. I pick up an average of 1/4 of a garbage bag every 5 days when I am mowing peak season. There aren't as many Fireball 100 and 300 ml plastic bottles as there are beer and soda cans, but there are surprising a lot of these specific containers, must be popular stuff.

There are definitely soda bottles and, of course, no plastic beer bottles, but the beer cans seem to outnumber the soda cans. I think that may be because people discard the beer cans as evidence more than the soda cans. Not sure. But, I'd bet I pull 2 to 3 redeemable cans and a bottle or two every 5 days of various varieties of soda and beer. (When my wife and I walk the gravel road that comes off that 4 lane, we pick up 99% beer cans there. Not a ton of other trash there. This IS evidence disposing I'm pretty sure.) Non-redeemable plastic bottles, fast food refuse of all sorts, and other food containers, especially chip sacks and empty cigarette containers are more prevalent and the biggest filler of the bag really is building material waste. It's bulky, so it takes up more room.

The 4 lane goes to the county dump, so a lot of that blows off of people's trucks and trailers when they don't cover them OR they have the flappy tarps not secured. I don't think they mean to litter, but they might be the biggest culprit on my section of road. That is negligence more than actually making the decision to litter.

I do believe though, that many of the things that I find are simply discarded directly from the user out the window of their car. For instance the cigarette containers are usually in pristine condition, just laying there a few feet off the road. It also seems that the well put back together fast food sacks with the wrappers crumpled up and put back in fully intact are another example of the kind of things that are probably thrown out the window. I find it amazing after all the years of advertising and messaging that people still think its OK to litter. Sad statement on our society.

I just can't conceive of consciously throwing anything out my car window and never have. I can't understand why anyone would or ever could. Are there good arguments FOR littering?

OK, I know this discussion has gone from redeeming bottles and cans to littering, so I will steer it back to this. Even if you don't believe in the redemption system, is there a good reason to at least throw your bottles and cans in the trash instead of out the window? OR is that incredibly inconvenient and economically disadvantageous as well?
I used to do adopt a highway. It was there I was introduced to "trucker bombs". Gross.
 
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Winner winner chicken dinner! Not even close to worth my time on the deposit. We do recycle everything possible and now that we have a decent back yard would like to start composting to reduce our waste even more. We don't drink a lot of canned drinks as it is the the time/return is just not worth it. Maybe a case of lacroix and a few bottles of wine a month would be it. The deposit is the "cost of doing business" in my eyes. The intent to keep stuff out of the landfill can be achieved by recycling with little cost/investment on my part.

That is the tricky part. Like I mentioned earlier, the company handling this town (or used to) just took all recycling to the landfill. If you really want to ensure no landfill, you have to go to a redemption center.
 
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New bill makes it more difficult to get your 5 cent refund. All this does is put more burden on the individual and disproportionally affect those who are less fortunate.

Redemption center within 20 miles of store you purchased bottle/can/glass from. Store can give you the middle finger and say take it to the redemption center. Nobody is going to drive up to 40 miles (round trip) to drop off cans. Also, redemption centers don't give you your full 5 cents back.

 

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Charge 2 cents at the store, at don't pay it back to customers. That would get the current people to start putting it in recycling containers and the recycling company can make up some money for the sorting they do and make recycling centers more profitable. The ones who throw it in the ditch will do it unless you go some crazy amount like a buck or something.
 
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Redemption centers are going to have expand a lot in certain in places. And need more labor. Good luck with that.
 

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Can't wait for the entirety of Cedar Rapids to "opt out" because can shed is in town. Wonder what would happen if Can shed just goes out of business. Do all the "opt outs" suddenly have to take them again?
 
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New bill makes it more difficult to get your 5 cent refund. All this does is put more burden on the individual and disproportionally affect those who are less fortunate.

Redemption center within 20 miles of store you purchased bottle/can/glass from. Store can give you the middle finger and say take it to the redemption center. Nobody is going to drive up to 40 miles (round trip) to drop off cans. Also, redemption centers don't give you your full 5 cents back.


Finally: a bill to appease all the donors by crapping all over constituents, just as the Founding Fathers intended.
 

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Seems like a lot of redemption centers are closing. I'd happily donate all my cans if I could. There used to be a big box in town that went to the local after prom, but the kids don't want to count cans any more. They should probably just get rid of the deposit and hopefully most people recycle.