Cardinal vs Gold matchups - thoughts
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Go back and watch the Carr/Berge match. One was the better wrestler and the other got his hand raised. One just got out of high school and one has already spent a full year in the Penn State wrestling room. Straw will be ranked 15-20 all year I think. Depends what you want out of the program this year. If Carr wants to go, let him. I am fine with Straw - hard working, National qualifier, might win a match or 2 at Nationals.
Obviously I will support the coaches' decision either way, but I'd send Carr out there if he performs well at the first few opens of the year.
Basically the argument is that having a RS senior Carr for a year is better than having a true freshman Carr for a year. Makes sense, but isn't always the case. This isn't a video game where guys improve incrementally every single year, and we've seen our own guys recently who have really good freshman/sophomore years, but then injuries catch up to them and they aren't able to compete at a high level as a junior/senior.
If he's head and shoulders above the other 157 pounders, I'd let him go. But I completely understand the other side, and if they redshirt him like they did with Coleman, I'll support that. If Straw is the guy at 157 this year then I believe he will hold his own. The match with Judge isn't necessarily encouraging, but Judge is a good athlete, and someone said that Straw was sick. So who knows.
Maybe I just selfishly want to see a stud like Carr in a Cyclone singlet right away, and not have to wait a year.
Basically the argument is that having a RS senior Carr for a year is better than having a true freshman Carr for a year. Makes sense, but isn't always the case. This isn't a video game where guys improve incrementally every single year, and we've seen our own guys recently who have really good freshman/sophomore years, but then injuries catch up to them and they aren't able to compete at a high level as a junior/senior.
If he's head and shoulders above the other 157 pounders, I'd let him go. But I completely understand the other side, and if they redshirt him like they did with Coleman, I'll support that. If Straw is the guy at 157 this year then I believe he will hold his own. The match with Judge isn't necessarily encouraging, but Judge is a good athlete, and someone said that Straw was sick. So who knows.
Maybe I just selfishly want to see a stud like Carr in a Cyclone singlet right away, and not have to wait a year.
Looks like all the matches from the scrimmage are up on YouTube.
Edit: Not full matches and not all matches were posted but something to scratch that Cyclone wrestling itch.
Edit: Not full matches and not all matches were posted but something to scratch that Cyclone wrestling itch.
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Cam Kramer is the account that posted them but I found them by searching iowa state wrestling cardinal and gold scrimmage.
I did! I was there taking pics/vids. Sorry for them being shaky; I forgot my tripod.
Now time for a sell out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HH-TYh3avU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBfkPS7nsQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBGVkYsl854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw-YysIlwO0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddnU3JM5rAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogdMf1lk-YE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMERn2k_hSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN_0dGvtlBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBrD-dkW3jg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFUJ_umZHEc
Now time for a sell out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HH-TYh3avU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBfkPS7nsQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBGVkYsl854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw-YysIlwO0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddnU3JM5rAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogdMf1lk-YE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMERn2k_hSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN_0dGvtlBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBrD-dkW3jg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFUJ_umZHEc
If you think of the team, it has a far better chance at competing for a National title in Carr's redshirt senior year than this year.
Video looked like classic leisure from HS. Still got the same style.
Good old standby was Jenn beating Sanderson his redshirt year. Does anybody really think Jenn was better than Cael. Just because they get upset or have a bad match doesn't mean you look elsewhere immediately.
This is a longer road than just a year turn around.
Times have changed. The amount of elite, high-pressure competitions that Carr has been a part of are unlike anything that existed 20 years ago. The elite level kids coming into college today are far more mature (from a competition and training standpoint) than in years past.
We never know what can happen in the future. If he is better than Straw and he WANTS to wrestle, I say let him. It improves us at 2 weights and also keeps the redshirt in our back pocket in case of injury.
This. With the way the sport has progressed with online videos and other media, along with the RTC's, clubs and big National tournaments, these kids are coming in ready to go right away. Handful of true freshman AA every year now and the elite ones contend for a title. He is battle tested and ready to go if he wants.
I'd like to think bumping Straw up would be an improvement at 65 but that's not a guarantee by any means. I really think Jennings could have a solid year if they let him go instead of alternating between him and St John.
I don’t think it’s a question of whether or not he is ready. It’s more of a question of where the team will be later as opposed to now. Why use him on a team that’s not going to be as good as one in 3 or 4 years?
You also have no idea where Carr will be in his 5th year. He could have had career ending injuries. Maybe his Dad has a falling out and Carr wants to transfer.
If he’s healthy, the best guy on the team, and a potential AA, he should go now. Too many unknowns in his 5th year. Plus the added benefit of recruiting.
Good reasons to go now. The big one for me is to catapult recruiting for the future. After Spencer went the hawks have dominated recruiting this year. It can have a good effect on getting guys to commit and jump on board seeing a young guy go out there and do very well.
A little sloppy in that match. He got way out of position and would have been pinned if he was wrestling someone closer to his size.
I know it has been speculated that Leisure might contend at 141. Looks like IA Wrestle now has it official. Can't wait for the open to see how all of our guys look.
https://iawrestle.com/2018/10/24/ryan-leisure-living-different-lifestyle/
https://iawrestle.com/2018/10/24/ryan-leisure-living-different-lifestyle/
