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Wesley

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Neither Monday's or yesterday's games looked like that of a top 25 team.

Yep. We have a long way to go. Looks like we ran out of gas the second half of the second night. Georges, Naz, Melvin Kane and Hogue had toughness. Right now we have Georges, Naz, and Hogue. Not sure any of the others have that toughness unless it is Edozie.
 

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Yep. We have a long way to go. Looks like we ran out of gas the second half of the second night. Georges, Naz, Melvin Kane and Hogue had toughness. Right now we have Georges, Naz, and Hogue. Not sure any of the others have that toughness unless it is Edozie.

Hogue was not tough, at least not mentally, crying all over the court. Fred himself said his team folded.
The 2 guys we lost from last year were incredibly tough mentally.
 

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Alabama and Maryland shot well from downtown and I predict so will everyone else. We give way too many open looks at the 3 line.
 

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Alabama and Maryland shot well from downtown and I predict so will everyone else. We give way too many open looks at the 3 line.

This is in part due to doubling the post correct? One would hope that this changes when McKay joins.
 

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Since Parrish loves to call other voters out, I would love to hear his explanation for why he had Florida and VCU ranked so high.
 

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Hogue was not tough, at least not mentally, crying all over the court. Fred himself said his team folded.
The 2 guys we lost from last year were incredibly tough mentally.

We are going to miss that "**** you" attitude Melvin and Kane had about everything. It was beautiful.

Granted, I'm sure we could develop it again, but it's hard replacing grown senior leaders like that. BDL has some swagger. Niang and Naz aren't far behind. We'll get there. I'm sure there's going to be a new fire in practice and preparation after that lukewarm debut.

Still on the "chill/relax" stage here--no way we were going undefeated out of conference, weird things happen on neutral courts, Maryland and Alabama each looked good, and we've a few games coming up to prove ourselves. Hilton is still Hilton until further notice.

We shot 22% from three last night. We shoot 35% (roughly the season average), we make 3-4 more of them, and we're tied/ahead by three coming down to the wire. Maryland had a hot night, we had a cold night, they won. It's how this game works. Just going to have to gel some more.
 

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The thing about last night is that, offensively, it was a complete aberration. We're unlikely to shoot under 30% again this year. So from that standpoint, we shouldn't fall too far because odds are, we won't play that poorly again.

But that defense has been pretty consistently below average. I don't think there are 26 teams in the nation better than ISU right now but it doesn't really matter at all. ISU will have ample opportunities through the year to prove how good they are or are not.
 

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This is in part due to doubling the post correct? One would hope that this changes when McKay joins.

Not due to doubling the post, rather due to poor execution of doubling down on the post. Poor spacing by the other three on the court and slow/poor player rotation once the ball is to the post and passed from the block postion.
 

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Since Parrish loves to call other voters out, I would love to hear his explanation for why he had Florida and VCU ranked so high.

I don't agree with Florida being so high either. They are not top 15 team right now without Carter and Finney-Smith.
 

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Yeah, that is a bit odd. I can't understand why if you are crediting a team with beating a ranked team, why you would drop them that far. If the win is that good to move someone up, it means the team they beat must have been good, otherwise neither team deserves the ranking.

It does seem to suggest wanting it both ways.
 

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It'll be interesting to see how top-25-and-1 handles the UNC-Butler game. Butler ought to be sniffing the rank, and UNC should drop to about 18th, if CBS is going to be consistent w/ the ISU-Maryland situation.
 

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This is in part due to doubling the post correct? One would hope that this changes when McKay joins.

It's because we don't switch on the screens. Our guys don't stay close enough to the shooter when he runs through double screens, and when the shooter gets the ball he is wide open.
 

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Also, we still have to admit that we're not really a very big team. Hogue is what, maybe 6'6"? Seems we can't afford to front the post, and if we play behind him, we often need the double team. Makes for awful tough rotation defense throughout a whole game to get to all those shooters or to stop penetration. Having said that, if we score like we usually do, is Maryland's offensive output (72) really that bad?
 

twocoach

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Also, we still have to admit that we're not really a very big team. Hogue is what, maybe 6'6"? Seems we can't afford to front the post, and if we play behind him, we often need the double team. Makes for awful tough rotation defense throughout a whole game to get to all those shooters or to stop penetration. Having said that, if we score like we usually do, is Maryland's offensive output (72) really that bad?

72 points from a Mark Turgeon coached team is a lot. His offense is usually so painful it makes my eyes bleed. Probably had mroe 50 point games than 70 point games at Texas A&M.
 

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It'll be interesting to see how top-25-and-1 handles the UNC-Butler game. Butler ought to be sniffing the rank, and UNC should drop to about 18th, if CBS is going to be consistent w/ the ISU-Maryland situation.

And now UCLA lost, so UNC plays UCLA tomorrow, so a ranked team will lose two in a row...ouch.
 

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72 points from a Mark Turgeon coached team is a lot. His offense is usually so painful it makes my eyes bleed. Probably had mroe 50 point games than 70 point games at Texas A&M.

Well obviously they had us outsized, thus some easy points off offensive boards. Secondly, Dez Wells is a Kane type who can get any shot he wants almost. Their McD's AA freshmen pt. guard is good. Scored 31 vs. Ariz. State the night before. Throw in Layman and the suprise #11 hitting big 3's, and free throws at the end make for 72 points. Maybe a team with more size doesn't give them 72, but I don't see any reason why they can't avg. around the 65-70 mark.
 

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72 points from a Mark Turgeon coached team is a lot. His offense is usually so painful it makes my eyes bleed. Probably had mroe 50 point games than 70 point games at Texas A&M.

Right...........considering they averaged about 71 points per game each of the last two years and are averaging about 78 points a game this year. His teams at A&M averaged 70.6 points per game. So yeah, this 72 was way out of the norm for a team coached by him. :jimlad:
 
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