That's right... I forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, that was ugly.
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That's right... I forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, that was ugly.
Behind Hoke? Holy ****. That administration loved Brady Hoke until it was clear he couldn't lead that program. He got piles of money to hire staff that RichRod never got. Support was not an issue for Hoke like it was for RR
This may seem shallow but I will tell you one thing about Brady Hoke that should speak volumes: He never wore a headset at Michigan. He was never in those conversations unless the guy was right next to him.
Not bashing on Brady Hoke.... it seems to be routine in the coaching fraternity.... We all know that this was done by Ferentz and his staff on several occasions.
http://deadspin.com/5027393/university-of-iowa-athletic-staff-conspired-to-cover-up-a-sexual-assault
If you've never read the USA today story on this by the alleged victims mother - it will seriously open your eyes....its crazy. There was more then enough proof....Ferentz himself ordered a player to move into the room that it occurred in and throw away the mattress.... Why did it have bed bugs? No dumby it had DNA..... Crazy stuff. People this stuff happens and it depends on the coaches and the expected "Wins" on whether that player will be caught or not. Remember Adrian Claiborne..... I know, there was a racial word used.... Thats always an out card for beatin the crap out of someone because your illegally parked in the middle of the road.....
In all seriousness.... My preferences would be Frost, Fritz, Stitt. No order. I think Stitt and Fritz bring experience. I think Frost brings instant credibility with national championship pedigree both as a player and coach. Frost and Stitt both bring exciting offenses and Fritz brings an offense that best fits our current personnel. Hoke is a very very good coach. Maybe the demeanor at ISU would be more like SDSU and Ball St that allowed him success. Although if he couldn't win at Michigan and the Big Ten, then not sure how he would do against murderers row!!!
Too me in the end, Jamie has tried the exciting hire in Chizik. With our current coordinators i think Chizik would have been extremely successful. He could recruit. Then he hired the local guy with ties to university. And Pauls done incredible things to help jamie do all the things they've done to bring ISU facilities into relevancy. But now, he needs someone who can flat out coach and win.
My guy is Fritz. To me, he brings great experience, and his connection to two of the most powerful Jucos in the country cannot be overshadowed. That would be a huge tool for us.
Good Luck Jamie - its only your job depending on this hire!!!!
http://deadspin.com/5027393/university-of-iowa-athletic-staff-conspired-to-cover-up-a-sexual-assault
If you've never read the USA today story on this by the alleged victims mother - it will seriously open your eyes....its crazy. There was more then enough proof....Ferentz himself ordered a player to move into the room that it occurred in and throw away the mattress.... Why did it have bed bugs? No dumby it had DNA..... Crazy stuff. People this stuff happens and it depends on the coaches and the expected "Wins" on whether that player will be caught or not. Remember Adrian Claiborne..... I know, there was a racial word used.... Thats always an out card for beatin the crap out of someone because your illegally parked in the middle of the road.....
In all seriousness.... My preferences would be Frost, Fritz, Stitt. No order. I think Stitt and Fritz bring experience. I think Frost brings instant credibility with national championship pedigree both as a player and coach. Frost and Stitt both bring exciting offenses and Fritz brings an offense that best fits our current personnel. Hoke is a very very good coach. Maybe the demeanor at ISU would be more like SDSU and Ball St that allowed him success. Although if he couldn't win at Michigan and the Big Ten, then not sure how he would do against murderers row!!!
Too me in the end, Jamie has tried the exciting hire in Chizik. With our current coordinators i think Chizik would have been extremely successful. He could recruit. Then he hired the local guy with ties to university. And Pauls done incredible things to help jamie do all the things they've done to bring ISU facilities into relevancy. But now, he needs someone who can flat out coach and win.
My guy is Fritz. To me, he brings great experience, and his connection to two of the most powerful Jucos in the country cannot be overshadowed. That would be a huge tool for us.
Good Luck Jamie - its only your job depending on this hire!!!!
My take on getting a guy with HC experience vs an Up and Comer like Frost.
Is Frost going to be able to recruit THAT much better than some else to Iowa State? Yeah he is great recruiter at Oregon but imo it is more about developing players in Ames.
Coaching alone cost us two wins this year (K-State/OSU) and throw in Toledo if you want. We have the players to win 5-7 games and our recruiting has been bottom of the Big 12. Get a guy that has had HC experience that knows how to make adjustments at halftime and coach the last two minutes of a game. Then those 5-7 win seasons will come.
Frost isn't going to come in here an bring in a top 5 Big 12 recruiting class and win 5-7 games on just talent.
Long story short, he needs to be a better COACH than a recruiter.
Is Frost going to be able to recruit THAT much better than some else to Iowa State? Yeah he is great recruiter at Oregon but imo it is more about developing players in Ames.
Coaching alone cost us two wins this year (K-State/OSU) and throw in Toledo if you want. We have the players to win 5-7 games and our recruiting has been bottom of the Big 12. Get a guy that has had HC experience that knows how to make adjustments at halftime and coach the last two minutes of a game. Then those 5-7 win seasons will come.
Frost isn't going to come in here an bring in a top 5 Big 12 recruiting class and win 5-7 games on just talent.
Long story short, he needs to be a better COACH than a recruiter.
False. The administration only had problems after Hoke gave them reasons to.
Look at Rich Rod? You mean look at what he did at WVU? the Rich Rod and Hoke comparison is just laziness- they are very different.
Hoke is basically Rhoads. Can stumble to some wins with will and passion, but you are going to be giving up a lot of could be and should be wins due to poor high-level management and low level execution.
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I seem to remember Hoke putting in a player who seemed to have a concussion. I agree that isn't cool, but is it any worse than the allegations against Mike Leach at Tech?
I'm very open to a Hoke era. Multiple times coach of the year and has been at the highest level. Michigan down to ISU or something like SDSU up to ISU coaching trajectory?
Which is the better path? I'll leave that to JP and Heath. They'll make a good hire
I agree w wanting coach solid argument, on games lost to put coaching also throw in IA game, but I'm NOT on the home train.
In the end I'll take the wait and see with who ever gets it.
If you are a bad fit at Michigan that has prestige, tradition, and its pick of 4 and 5 star recruits, I don't see how you'd be a good fit at Iowa State (or a lot of other places).
Rich Rod is 107-68 as a Division 1 head coach (that includes his 15-22 mark at Michigan). Hoke is 78-70.
Also look at Rich Rod's 3 seasons at Michigan: 3-9, 5-7, 7-5. Got better each year. Now look at Hoke's: 11-2, 8-5, 7-6, 5-7. Got worse each year.
How anyone could want Brady Hoke is beyond me.
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Compare them as they were both Coaches at Michigan that failed, and Arizona was Rich Rod's next stop where he is having success. It's a lazy comparison if you say so I guess.
The more research I do on Brady Hoke, the more I don't want him anywhere near Iowa State. Take a look at his head coaching record. It's like Paul Rhoads except with 2 really good seasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Hoke
The guy had 2 winning records in 6 seasons at Ball State and 1 at SDSU before getting the Michigan job. If he wasn't a "Michigan Man", they would have revolted at his hiring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Hoke
The guy had 2 winning records in 6 seasons at Ball State and 1 at SDSU before getting the Michigan job. If he wasn't a "Michigan Man", they would have revolted at his hiring.
Oh Sweet Caroline NOOOO!!!
Of course, "candidate" could mean that one side sent out feelers to the other side. Probably 20+ such "candidates".
I'm guessing Missoula is absolutely gorgeous. But I highly doubt that is why Stitt is there. One thing I like about Stitt is that he should be able to take what we have and design the most effective offense. I'm guessing he wouldn't force our talent into a box.
The next HC has to have HC experience imo. Sorry I'm intrigued by Frost too but given the last three HC's here were all coordinators I don't think you can go down that path this go around.
I'm guessing you meant the "Hoke train"...and I'm not necessarily either.
But I'd still take Hoke over a guy like Frost.
