Colorado game = worst game of CPR era?

[synapticwave]

I was at that game. It was so painful to watch, I left before the half. Chizik gave me every reason to give up on Cyclone football altogether and I hate to admit it. (1)Paul Rhoads gives me every reason to make this trip to Ames this Saturday but I am hesitant because of last week's showdown.

I don't know if Paul Rhoads is still hung up on the Nebraska loss (2)but if I were him I would be very careful. Losing to Colorado is the worst thing you can do to your resume. Its almost like ***** slapping a cop just to get into prison. I am sorry but I am hurting from this loss. Rhoads usually wins winnable games. (3)If Rhoads' team does not show up to play this Saturday and lose to Missouri in a beatdown fashion I honestly do not see this coaching staff getting contract extension. The money is tight, and we just cannot afford to keep coaches who are less prepared than the kids.

(4)Now, if Arnaud was not hurt, I wouldn't be so upset. This kid gave his best. I watched the replay of him getting hurt.

(5)I guess one good thing about last week's loss is we won't lose anyone of our coaching staff to any other school.

Oh and about the Missouri game, (6)I would run the bowl every down. Missouri doesn't have a solid run defense. They SUCK! But, what do I know. It all depends on whather Rhoads and company show up to coach.

1) So, had we won, and the team didn't need your support to help them get to a bowl game, you would show up. But when the team does need your support to get to bowl eligibility you won't show up? That makes perfect sense. Teams in general, and this team in particular, need fan support the most when they are down.

2) OR what exactly? It's one game, a costly one, but it's one game. We are 2 wins ahead of national expectations with a ranked team coming into our house this week and a win still makes us bowl eligible last I checked. Win the next one and it doesn't even matter what happened at CU.

3) You would make a terrible AD and I'm glad you are not in our athletics department in any capacity.

4) I really don't understand this at all? So you're mad at CPR, you don't think his staff deserves a contract extension, and you aren't going to come support your team this weekend, but all that changes if 1 player doesn't get hurt?

5) I wish you did work for someone else's athletics department. No one is going to evaluate our staff on that game alone, members of our staff will be targeted by other schools, there is no doubt.

(6) They do not SUCK. They are 56th in the nation on run defense. Like in every game we've won, we need a balanced attack that starts with the run. But we will not and we should not run every down.

Please show up and support your team. If you have the option and means to go, and do not show up on senior day with bowl eligibility on the line then you are the most fickle, self-indulged, lazy, fair-weather fan. Stop your complaining, stop looking for excuses, Be there, Be ALL IN!

 

[clone51]

If you look up "How to lose your team in 10 seconds", entry 1A in the manual would be publicly blasting them for not executing after a gut wrenching loss like Nebraska. He stood by his guys and they stood by them. I liked the mindset coming off the Nebraska game.

Now, if you want to criticize the coaching staff for not having the team prepared for Colorado in and of themselves, I'd tend to agree. Something went wrong during the week, but I don't think the Colorado game was lost in the minutes following the Nebraska game. Nebraska was a knock down, drag out, 60 minute heavyweight fight. The CU result may be as simple as the team being too physically and emotionally drained to beat a talented but to date, underachieving team on the road.

 

[RayShimley]

If you look up "How to lose your team in 10 seconds", entry 1A in the manual would be publicly blasting them for not executing after a gut wrenching loss like Nebraska. He stood by his guys and they stood by them. I liked the mindset coming off the Nebraska game.

Now, if you want to criticize the coaching staff for not having the team prepared for Colorado in and of themselves, I'd tend to agree. Something went wrong during the week, but I don't think the Colorado game was lost in the minutes following the Nebraska game. Nebraska was a knock down, drag out, 60 minute heavyweight fight. The CU result may be as simple as the team being too physically and emotionally drained to beat a talented but to date, underachieving team on the road.

Another thing I have been wondering is how the elevation effected the players. What kind of conditioning did they go through last week to prepare for playing at 5430 ft of elevation. That is no cakewalk.

 

[ca4cy]

Keep in mind, he told the media that coaching the Colorado game would be "THE BIGGEST GAME" him and his coaching staff had coached since they got here (in Ames). Look it up. It sounds all BS to me now.

So you expected ISU to win simply because he said it was his biggest game? If it was that easy, he'd never lose.

Look, I'm disappointed not only with the fact that we lost, but with the way we lost. The coaches certainly have blame in that and I'm not saying they don't. That said, PR throws around a lot less BS than the VAST majority of coaches out there. He was being genuine when he said that the CU game was big, and I'm guessing that he'll be genuine in expressing his disappointment with the outcome at his presser today. He's brought this team back from the brink before and I'll put faith in him now to do the same this time.

 

[Tornado man]

He should have held the team responsible for their failure to execute. It was a time to be a hard-***. He wasn't.

Although it wasn't explicitly said, the message was that almost is good enough. The team heard it, internalized it and you saw the results in Boulder.

What was his "message" to his team behind closed doors? How would you know? What a coach says behind the podium at a presser has no relevance to what goes on in team meetings and at practices.

 

[clonomaniac]

1) So, had we won, and the team didn't need your support to help them get to a bowl game, you would show up. But when the team does need your support to get to bowl eligibility you won't show up? That makes perfect sense. Teams in general, and this team in particular, need fan support the most when they are down.

I might have a visitor coming to St Louis from Cedar Rapids which is mostly why I don't want to make the trip. However, visitors never made me stop going to games. I might still go, I just cant justify the 700 mile roundtrip when Rhoads' staff (primarily Herman) show up to collect the paycheck and not work for it.

2) OR what exactly? It's one game, a costly one, but it's one game. We are 2 wins ahead of national expectations with a ranked team coming into our house this week and a win still makes us bowl eligible last I checked. Win the next one and it doesn't even matter what happened at CU.

True, I agree. We need to win MU game, but how exactly? We don't have a QB now. Tiller is every bit of mediocre as I thought he would be. They need to start Capello.

3) You would make a terrible AD and I'm glad you are not in our athletics department in any capacity.

I am definitely not a good AD material, I agree. However, I highly doubt you are a good AD either.

4) I really don't understand this at all? So you're mad at CPR, you don't think his staff deserves a contract extension, and you aren't going to come support your team this weekend, but all that changes if 1 player doesn't get hurt?

Austen outperformed Rhoads. dude came to play, coaches didn't. Enough said, next topic.

5) I wish you did work for someone else's athletics department. No one is going to evaluate our staff on that game alone, members of our staff will be targeted by other schools, there is no doubt.

Dan Hawkins was fired after their KU loss. I say AD did the right thing. I am not saying Rhoads need to be fired. I am simply saying ONE GAME can make or break your paycheck. Just look around. I know it shouldnt be the case but it unfortunately is.

(6) They do not SUCK. They are 56th in the nation on run defense. Like in every game we've won, we need a balanced attack that starts with the run. But we will not and we should not run every down.

Missouri SUCKS really bad in their run defense. Don't let their 56th rank fool you. We need to run the ball a LOT to score. We should NOT pass much. Also, when I say Missouri's run defence sucks I don't mean they are as bad as KU but for a top 20 team, Missouri is bad.

Please show up and support your team. If you have the option and means to go, and do not show up on senior day with bowl eligibility on the line then you are the most fickle, self-indulged, lazy, fair-weather fan. Stop your complaining, stop looking for excuses, Be there, Be ALL IN!

Like I said, I might still show up but it all depends.

 

[TxCycloneFan]

I actually thijnk that utah was worse...because it was a home game. Look at it this way...We've won one game there since 1982....Pathetic boys real absolutely Pathetic that we cant be more competitive than that....with a bad colorado team.



Oh well we're Iowa State and stuff like this is bound to happen to us.

 

[clonomaniac]

So you expected ISU to win simply because he said it was his biggest game? If it was that easy, he'd never lose.

Look, I'm disappointed not only with the fact that we lost, but with the way we lost. The coaches certainly have blame in that and I'm not saying they don't. That said, PR throws around a lot less BS than the VAST majority of coaches out there. He was being genuine when he said that the CU game was big, and I'm guessing that he'll be genuine in expressing his disappointment with the outcome at his presser today. He's brought this team back from the brink before and I'll put faith in him now to do the same this time.

All I am saying is as a head coach you do not want to put so much emphasis on coaching on one particular game by stating that this is the biggest game in his career at Iowa State and come out as flat as you did against Colorado. That is like coming up with a flop after a giant blockbuster movie. I am not saying Rhoads is obligated to win every game - its his life and its his job, he can do whatever he wants to and however he wants to make money at ISU. Hell Danny Mac took years to produce. All I am saying is I put a lot of trust in his words and Rhoads disappointed me.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Clonomaniac- You are way off base here. You think our coaching staff took a hit for a single game? Please. How many games have they had teams prepared for? This si the first time we have lost a game we absolutely should have won. I can live with it. It sucks, but the past performance has gained them some leeway. Also, no coach has ever been fired for one loss. Hawkins was fired for his body of work, not because he lost to Kansas. That was just the final straw. My stance on an extension and raise is the same. It needs to be done.

 

[kingcy]

Dan McCarney called and said there is no excuse for ISU to lose that game that way. Then Jim Walden called and said it was nice to allow a team a win so they dont go winless in the conference.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I cant wait for the presser. I want to see what Rhoads has to say to cover up his mess.

Why? What exactly do you want him to say? You must just be one of those people, who, when one thing goes wrong, turn their back and run. He lost one game he shouldn't have and all of a sudden, he doesn't know what he's doing.

Keep in mind, he told the media that coaching the Colorado game would be "THE BIGGEST GAME" him and his coaching staff had coached since they got here (in Ames). Look it up. It sounds all BS to me now.

BS? Yeah, I heard the whole staff took a vacation last week and didn't even prepare. They didn't even care about the game. Are you serious? Just because he said it was the biggest game doesn't mean that's an automatic win.

 

[clone51]

"What was his "message" to his team behind closed doors? How would you know? What a coach says behind the podium at a presser has no relevance to what goes on in team meetings and at practices. "

What was said at the presser after the Nebraska game reverberated all week long. Here at CF, over coffee across the state, in team meetings and practice and in Boulder. It was the wrong message.

If he said something different behind closed doors, as you speculate, that is even worse.

He has done an excellent job. Everyone screws up. He did in this instance. Hopefully he learns.

 

[jbhtexas]

The most disappointing part of the game for me was watching the complete failure to adjust on offense. Wally did a good job generating something for the defense and only a few calls went the wrong way because of execution. However, Herman completely and utterly did nothing to stem the pass rush from Colorado or make their linebackers pay for playing two yards from the line of scrimmage.

Agree completely. And it's not the first time that offensive adjustments haven't been made during the game over the past two years. And the excuse given will be "Herman doesn't have the guys he needs to run his system." That may be true, but that has nothing to do with failing to make gametime adjustments.

It almost seems like the attitude on offense is, "This is what we do, and if it doesn't work, we're going to do it anyway, because...that's what we do and that's all we've got."

 

[KMAC_ATTACK]

I think so.
Interim coaches are NOT that effective in coaching the team to a victory.

i disagree with you 100%....This team had quit on its coach - PERIOD....read the posts by the players that were so happy that his regime had ended....it was a breath of fresh air...i warned our prognosticators about this game.....

I didnt think it would be so one sided and for that - we were not prepared well, let down, whatever you want to call it....

My guess - our kids were a bit overconfident...they didnt have that swagger, that chip on their shoulders....they came out thinking they would be able to walk all over on them...

Lets evaluate that opponent for a minute before we cry out "THE SKY IS FALLING"

Colorado wins/losses:
Beat Colorado State
Lost to Cal on the road.
Beat Hawaii
Beat Georgia
Lost to Mizzou on the road 26-0
Lost to Baylor by 6.
Lost to Tech by 3.
Lost to Oklahoma by 33.
Lost to KU by 7.

Not putting this team on a pedestal, but, their 16 points from being 7-3. They've been beaten badly by 3 very good teams. To me this team was not that far away.....its been proven many times over, that the first game after a coaching change usually provides the biggest improvement and most energy that you will see.

CU should be applauded for their performance, we were lackluster in every aspect of the game...and for that - your right, the coaches, players everyone is responsible - REMEMBER its ALL IN....so when we succeed and fail, its as a team!!!!

Now its time to fasten the chin straps and leave the BS at the door. Leave everything on the field and play this game as if your postseason depends on it...We've put ourselves in this position, we have one game to make post season happen, not to mention that Tiller knows that his position for the team could be on the line as to how he performs in this game.

I will say this - It will be interesting to see how Tiller, the OLINE, the RB and especially the Coaches respond to this loss. If we come out and get blown out by Mizzou it will have lasting affects. If we come out and win this game it will have just as positive lasting affects....

I'm sayin it first here this week: ALL IN!!!!

 

[twojman]

Was this bad? I thought McCarney was on the sidelines, not good.

 

[clonomaniac]

Interim coaches do not usually win this strongly against an advertised/promotional/successful/winning/motivational/team building/youtube coach like Rhoads.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Another thing I have been wondering is how the elevation effected the players. What kind of conditioning did they go through last week to prepare for playing at 5430 ft of elevation. That is no cakewalk.

Short of building a 5430 ft tall practice structure, exactly what kind of conditioning CAN you do to prepare the players for a game at 5430 ft of elevation? Okay, I guess there might be some things that can be done, but short of practicing every day at that elevation, there's not much you can do in a one week time span to prepare and condition a player to play at that high of an altitude. I'm not using this as an excuse as to why we lost at Boulder, I'm just saying it's not as simple as asking "what kind of conditioning did they do last week to prepare for playing that high in the sky?" It just doesn't work that way.

 

[RayShimley]

Short of building a 5430 ft tall practice structure, exactly what kind of conditioning CAN you do to prepare the players for a game at 5430 ft of elevation? Okay, I guess there might be some things that can be done, but short of practicing every day at that elevation, there's not much you can do in a one week time span to prepare and condition a player to play at that high of an altitude. I'm not using this as an excuse as to why we lost at Boulder, I'm just saying it's not as simple as asking "what kind of conditioning did they do last week to prepare for playing that high in the sky?" It just doesn't work that way.

I wasn't suggesting that the coaches should have done something differently to play at altitude, I was honestly wondering if there was any way they COULD prepare for something like that. I ran a 5k in Santa Fe, NM last year and it was unbelievable how much the elevation affects your endurance. I don't remember seeing any footage of our players getting oxygen on the sidelines or anything, but I just think that this probably plays, at least, a small part in CU's dominance at home.

 

[jaretac]

Always a disappointment to lose to an inferior team. It is magnified because bowl eligibility was on the line. A bad loss indeed, but let's not call this an "era" just quite yet.

We refer to the time period that Chizik was here as the Chizik era. Rhoads has been here as long and has done way more and unlike his predecessor, there are no rumors about him wanting to leave or any indication that he might move on in the next few years. I'm sorry, but this is the Rhoads era.