COLUMN: What happens to Iowa State if the Big 12 implodes?
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We will at some point be put in the place of having to decide between accepting a PAC offer on the table, and pursuing a B1G offer that ISU thinks is attainable but may not come on our time frame.
At stake will be hundreds of millions of dollars for ISU athletics. What does JP do?
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If it comes down to that scenario, sign me up for a PAC offer. A bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush, right? I love the idea of the Big Ten as a landing place as well, and that would be a better fit on so many levels than the PAC, but I'm not sure how realistic it is.
Fascinating time. Hope the Big Ten powers that be see all the positive things about ISU that we all see.
A lot of ISU fans won't sign up for a streaming service but more would sign up than Rutgers. That being said, Rutgers sets the bar pretty low.
I would like nothing better than for that to be the case BUT if the B1G takes KU I bet there is a better chance they add Colorado also as a bridge to the 4-6 most valuable PAC properties they want(although I'm not sure KU & Colorado as a pair add the kind of money the B1G needs, except KU basketball is valuable and adds a lot of content for BTN). The B1G absolutely needs more recruiting grounds and adding KU and ISU or even KU and Col. doesn't do that. The ACC might be available after a while but is messy short term and the PAC's deal is up soon and there is a history with Rose Bowl rivalries.
For ISU to get into the B1G, I think the best chance is the NIL blows up the current model and some schools decide to drop down a level such as Vandy, BC, WF, Stanford, Cal, WSU, Or. St. maybe even a Northwestern. Essentially, then you have 60-64 break off to form a new league with the SEC essentially being one conference and the B1G(focused more on AAU schools the other) and somehow ISU slides in at one of the last few spots. My fear though is they try and ratchet down the number like 48 or less to say 56.
It is scary when Saban said at SEC media days a fr. QB who hasn't played a down has 1M in NIL money lined up. Even if ISU can get a spot can they really compete? Time will tell.
SEC, ESPN strike 10-year deal starting in '24
The new SEC deal, which begins in 2024, provides ESPN and ABC up to 15 premier football games, including the SEC championship game and rivalry games such as Alabama-Auburn and Florida-Georgia.
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" ESPN+ will have the right to stream one nonconference football game and two nonconference men's basketball games per SEC school each season. All told, ESPN+ will carry up to 14 nonconference football games and up to 20 nonconference men's basketball games annually. "
I think the bad take this is common is "no team that delivers less than $55-60 mil is going to be added, as that's the per team payout.
That's a per team payout, meaning approximately half the teams in the Big 10 and SEC don't deliver that. If there is any sort of selective, break away that only includes 30 or so teams, conference affiliations aren't going to mean squat. That means every non-blueblood would be in high risk of being relegated to a have-nots league.
That $55-60 mil value thinking makes sense from the conference and schools' perspectives. But guess what? They make almost ALL their money from media rights. And the media companies don't get to worry about per team revenue, they have to think about total revenue. So they are writing the checks, meaning the media companies are the ones that actually have the power. Not the SEC and Big 10.
Let's say Disney (ABC, Disney+, ESPN) is going to buy the rights to all the games for whatever big boy league there is. While 12 games per week in a blueblood only league might be highly profitable on a per game basis, as long as a game is reasonably profitable due to subscriptions and ad revenue, they will want that too. So is ISU-Oklahoma State as profitable as Florida-Georgia? Of course not. But ISU-Okie Light is profitable to show, so they are going to want that inventory. Does having ISU-Okie State relegated to a league of have-nots probably flip it to be unprofitable? Probably.
So Disney would much rather have a 60 team league with a bunch of games that have a range of profitability (as long as they ARE profitable) rather than only having a 24 team league with high profit margin per game. They get the best of both worlds in a bigger league.
There will be incredible pressure from the guys writing the checks (media) that as many teams as possible are included in a breakaway league as long as they can make a profit on showing that teams games.
That's a per team payout, meaning approximately half the teams in the Big 10 and SEC don't deliver that. If there is any sort of selective, break away that only includes 30 or so teams, conference affiliations aren't going to mean squat. That means every non-blueblood would be in high risk of being relegated to a have-nots league.
That $55-60 mil value thinking makes sense from the conference and schools' perspectives. But guess what? They make almost ALL their money from media rights. And the media companies don't get to worry about per team revenue, they have to think about total revenue. So they are writing the checks, meaning the media companies are the ones that actually have the power. Not the SEC and Big 10.
Let's say Disney (ABC, Disney+, ESPN) is going to buy the rights to all the games for whatever big boy league there is. While 12 games per week in a blueblood only league might be highly profitable on a per game basis, as long as a game is reasonably profitable due to subscriptions and ad revenue, they will want that too. So is ISU-Oklahoma State as profitable as Florida-Georgia? Of course not. But ISU-Okie Light is profitable to show, so they are going to want that inventory. Does having ISU-Okie State relegated to a league of have-nots probably flip it to be unprofitable? Probably.
So Disney would much rather have a 60 team league with a bunch of games that have a range of profitability (as long as they ARE profitable) rather than only having a 24 team league with high profit margin per game. They get the best of both worlds in a bigger league.
There will be incredible pressure from the guys writing the checks (media) that as many teams as possible are included in a breakaway league as long as they can make a profit on showing that teams games.
The issue with the "Does this school bring in $__? If not they're not a positive for the conference." is that it leaves out the fact that that these contracts include a hefty premium for the overall collective bundle.
If these schools were to go independent and seek out individual contracts with the networks, none of them will have that premium to offer.
So it's not exactly apples to apples.
If these schools were to go independent and seek out individual contracts with the networks, none of them will have that premium to offer.
So it's not exactly apples to apples.
50% of this board still thinks conferences are out looking for better matchups and better rivalry games instead of money even though people have been ditching rivalry games for the last 15 years.
I understand it's a mean, and not a median. But this is absolutely not false. If a media contract payout is $60 million per team, the average value the teams in that conference are perceived to deliver to the media companies is $60 million.
If the big 10 media package is worth $50 mil per team, or $700 mil total, the net value the media companies believe the teams deliver is equal to $700 mil.
That means some teams are worth well more (OSU, Michigan), some are worth well less (Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue), and others are somewhere in between.
So tell me, how many teams in the Big 10 deliver more than the per team value to the media companies, and how many deliver less?
We would go there if it happened. There’s no way they would leave for the Big 12.
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what is the process for this?
TX and OU buy out the Big12 to leave for the SEC.
Remaining teams cash the check?
Do the remaining teams dissolve the B12, and get paid from the buyout?
Remaining teams are clear to enter into other conferences, per new agreement, without a buyout?
TX and OU buy out the Big12 to leave for the SEC.
Remaining teams cash the check?
Do the remaining teams dissolve the B12, and get paid from the buyout?
Remaining teams are clear to enter into other conferences, per new agreement, without a buyout?
Try to do what some coaches do? No buyout if X comes calling. That's probably not a feasibly acceptable clause to add, but maybe ??
I just know its not MidWest...In context of Pac, wouldn't it be "Wild East"?
In reality, the process is:
Texas, OU, and SEC sue to get out of the buyout.
The rest of the Big 12 countersues to enforce the buyout.
???
Lets have a 96 team league. Similar to Iowa High School football. 8 team districts reseeded every 4 years or so. It keeps regional rivalries. Top team in each district wins a playoff spot. 4 at large bids. Similar arrangements to basketball. That give the schools a chance to schedule some non district games also. Payouts would be distributed like basketball tournament revenues. Just for football of course.
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then negotiated down.
when would the change of schedules take place? 22? 23? 24?
I'd sign up for a streaming service if it mean all games would be on said streaming service. Even if I had to buy a separate ESPN and Fox sports streaming service for $10-15 each, I'd still do that over buying cable or Sling.
