CPR on the td pass from Lanning to Lazard...

[TheJackWePack5]

I think CPR is going to be successful as a head coach at some level, he's a good coach and a smart guy, but it's unfortunate we have to watch him learn so many lessons as coach of ISU.

It has been painful watching Rhoads get outcoached game after game the past few years.

 

[Wesley]

Looks like we know qbs, Coach.
[h=4]Quarterback Rating LEADERS - Qualified[/h]

RK	PLAYER	TEAM	COMP	ATT	PCT	YDS	YDS/A	LONG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT
1	Seth Russell, QB	BAY	103	163	63.2	1907	11.7	87	27	5	3	210.0
2	Trevone Boykin, QB	TCU	166	250	66.4	2539	10.2	61	25	5	4	180.7
3	Baker Mayfield, QB	OKLA	128	190	67.4	1875	9.9	76	19	3	19	180.1
4	Patrick Mahomes, QB	TTU	196	307	63.8	2618	8.5	75	20	6	7	153.1
5	Skyler Howard, QB	WVU	111	188	59.0	1566	8.3	70	15	6	17	149.0
6	Mason Rudolph, QB	OKST	138	219	63.0	1892	8.6	67	9	7	12	142.8
7	Jerrod Heard, QB	TEX	50	87	57.5	714	8.2	69	3	2	17	133.2
8	Sam B. Richardson, QB	ISU	124	199	62.3	1408	7.1	59	8	6	17	129.0
9	Montell Cozart, QB	KU	66	105	62.9	752	7.2	47	2	1	7	127.4
10	Ryan Willis, QB	KU	63	104	60.6	588	5.7	38	3	2	6	113.7
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	COMP	ATT	PCT	YDS	YDS/A	LONG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT
11	Joe Hubener, QB	KSU	56	123	45.5	866	7.0	72	4	4	8	108.9

 

[Wesley]

And we may be better than three teams on offense. Looks like points per game needs to be better. Fieldgoal kicking problem?



Net Total Yards LEADERS

RK	TEAM	YDS	YDS/G	PASS	P YDS/G	RUSH	R YDS/G	PTS	PTS/G
1	Texas Tech	4366	624	2988	426.9	1378	196.9	346	49.4
2	Baylor	4318	720	2226	371.0	2092	348.7	383	63.8
3	TCU	4314	616	2727	389.6	1587	226.7	351	50.1
4	Oklahoma	2933	489	1980	330.0	953	158.8	240	40.0
5	West Virginia	2914	486	1619	269.8	1295	215.8	218	36.3
6	Oklahoma State	2778	463	1953	325.5	825	137.5	224	37.3
7	Iowa State	2569	428	1549	258.2	1020	170.0	161	26.8
8	Kansas	2267	378	1472	245.3	795	132.5	115	19.2
9	Texas	2061	344	891	148.5	1170	195.0	147	24.5
10	Kansas State	1960	327	994	165.7	966	161.0	182	30.3

 

[Wesley]

Here is our fieldgoal kicking for which we had tryouts last week:

[h=4]Field Goals Made LEADERS[/h]

	FIELD GOALS	EXTRA POINTS
RK	TEAM	FGM	FGA	PCT	LNG	1-19	20-29	30-39	40-49	50+	XPM	XPA	PCT
1	Oklahoma State	11	13	84.6	43	0-0	5-6	3-3	3-4	0-0	23	26	88.5
2	Oklahoma	10	10	100.0	44	1-1	4-4	2-2	3-3	0-0	30	30	100.0
	Kansas State	10	12	83.3	44	0-0	6-6	3-4	1-2	0-0	20	20	100.0
4	West Virginia	9	13	69.2	48	0-0	6-6	2-3	1-2	0-2	27	27	100.0
5	TCU	8	11	72.7	53	0-0	2-4	1-2	3-3	2-2	43	43	100.0
	Texas Tech	8	10	80.0	37	0-0	4-5	4-4	0-1	0-0	44	45	97.8
7	Iowa State	7	12	58.3	47	0-0	2-3	3-5	2-4	0-0	20	20	100.0
8	Texas	5	8	62.5	46	0-0	2-2	0-1	3-4	0-1	18	19	94.7
9	Baylor	4	5	80.0	36	0-0	0-0	4-5	0-0	0-0	51	51	100.0
	Kansas	4	8	50.0	51	0-0	1-2	2-3	0-1	1-2	13	15	86.7

 

[jburke]

Just re-watched the game, this play was a perfectly placed pass to a capable WR. Honestly thought the placement was 100X better then where SR would have put it.... I see no problem with that play still......

 

[jburke]

To Add to the pain, our last real worthy drive after the first quarter ended with 8ish mins left till half at the TCU fumble recovery..... We went 38 mins of a game with little to no pulse on the offensive side of the ball.... And again zero adjustment in the second half after they made their defensive adjustments.....

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I thought the play before the punt was bad too. ISU's best deal all night had been going downhill, and they throw it sideways on 3rd and 3 for no gain.

The option in the 2nd quarter is kind of on its own since that didn't make any sense either.

You would normally run the screen on 3rd and short if you planned to still go for it on 4th after not making it. Maybe Mangino wanted to go for it but Rhoads said no?

 

[BodeClone]

Between this quote and that pathetic punt call in the 4th quarter, PAUL RHOADS IS A DEAD (FIRED) MAN WALKING! This team is NOT listening to him. Since midseason of 2012 (when Knott left), this team has fell off the roller coaster. Three years of s uckiness is inexcusable, and action needs to be taken as soon as possible.

 

[isulive2train]

Between this quote and that pathetic punt call in the 4th quarter, PAUL RHOADS IS A DEAD (FIRED) MAN WALKING! This team is NOT listening to him. Since midseason of 2012 (when Knott left), this team has fell off the roller coaster. Three years of s uckiness is inexcusable, and action needs to be taken as soon as possible.

 

[67CY]

Just saw a tweet from Randy P where he refers to LanRam, is this just a Pete thing, or is that what others call Lanning?

 

[twojman]

Just saw a tweet from Randy P where he refers to LanRam, is this just a Pete thing, or is that what others call Lanning?

It is a Randy P thing and he is trying to make it stick. Almost like "Fetch" is happening.

 

[tazclone]

To Add to the pain, our last real worthy drive after the first quarter ended with 8ish mins left till half at the TCU fumble recovery..... We went 38 mins of a game with little to no pulse on the offensive side of the ball.... And again zero adjustment in the second half after they made their defensive adjustments.....

Let's look at the series that we didn't score at that time frame
2nd quarter
13 play-57 yard -Series ends with the Warren fumble on TCU's 18
3 play 3 yards- Sam missed Ryen on first down, three yard run on second Sam hurried and throws it away at Warrens feet on 3rd Poor protection punt from the ISU 33

3rd quarter
4 play-33 yards- 2nd and six Sam sacked on Corner blitz trying to go deep and a fumble on TCU's 42
8 play- 48 yards- Montgomery gets knocked on his *** on 3 and 3 otherwise Wesley gets the first down and much more. Punt form TCU's 45

4th quarter
13 play 49 yards- 3rd and 9 Lazard doesn't complete the catch to the ground that was originally ruled a fumble. 4th down, Thomas slips on a well blocked screen and Philbert called for holding. TO on downs on TCU 26
11 play-43 yards- 2nd and four and Bundrage false starts. Run the ball twice. 4th and 3 and Campos false starts. Incomplete pass TO on Downs at the TCU 30

looks like we moved the ball but players failed to execute in certain situations. And not just Sam but numerous players

 

[tazclone]

I want to emphatically state that I am glad that Lanning threw the ball and Lazard made a great play on the ball before I make this point....

Here is a pretty good article about how and when a back shoulder throw is thrown
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...dbs-pass-thats

Things to note from the article
-throw it backside with little zip
-throw when DB is playing over the top
-QBs are reluctant when the defender stays even
-WR gives the sly look to trigger the throw
-originally designed for about 15 yards


None of those really happened on the Lanning TD pass
-pass had a lot of zip
-DB was not over the top
-DB was even and slightly under which is why Lazard had to swim through and the DB committed PI
-Lazard was looking for the ball for ten yards
-it was a deeper throw which gives the defender a chance to make a play

Again...I am glad it was thrown. It was a great play by Lazard and his strength allowed him to break the tackle. But if people want to understand why a coach would say it is one that probably shouldn't have been thrown....there are reasons. With that said...Bret Farve threw a lot of balls that shouldn't have been thrown that turned out okay.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I want to emphatically state that I am glad that Lanning threw the ball and Lazard made a great play on the ball before I make this point....

Here is a pretty good article about how and when a back shoulder throw is thrown
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...dbs-pass-thats

Things to note from the article
-throw it backside with little zip
-throw when DB is playing over the top
-QBs are reluctant when the defender stays even
-WR gives the sly look to trigger the throw
-originally designed for about 15 yards


None of those really happened on the Lanning TD pass
-pass had a lot of zip
-DB was not over the top
-DB was even and slightly under which is why Lazard had to swim through and the DB committed PI
-Lazard was looking for the ball for ten yards
-it was a deeper throw which gives the defender a chance to make a play

Again...I am glad it was thrown. It was a great play by Lazard and his strength allowed him to break the tackle. But if people want to understand why a coach would say it is one that probably shouldn't have been thrown....there are reasons. With that said...Bret Farve threw a lot of balls that shouldn't have been thrown that turned out okay.

That doesn't explain why he had to say something about it. I don't care if the pass should or shouldn't have been thrown, or if Rhoads is right about that. I care that the coach was a db about it and made it a point to to be a db about it.

 

[Boxerdaddy]

This whole thread:

[video=youtube;k9vBRRyVGAA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9vBRRyVGAA[/video]

 

[tazclone]

That doesn't explain why he had to say something about it. I don't care if the pass should or shouldn't have been thrown, or if Rhoads is right about that. I care that the coach was a db about it and made it a point to to be a db about it.

I agree. He shouldn't have said anything about it when asked. In all fairness, most people in the fan base think it was a perfect pass and think Lanning should play because of it.

 

[ExCyment]

I meant, CPR didn't think the pass should have been thrown at the time.

You know, one of those "no no no no . . . YES!!!!!!!!!!!!" type of plays.

I didn't hear one thing that said, implied, or even hinted that they benched Lanning because he threw that pass.

Maybe I should rewatch the pressers.

The problem is, that is exactly the type of throw that should always be thrown. You have to stretch the field and take advantage of one on one mismatches like that. Force TCU to double and triple team Lazard and if they don't, throw to him every play. The fact that the quarterbacks are coached to not do that is very telling. Time for a change.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I agree. He shouldn't have said anything about it when asked. In all fairness, most people in the fan base think it was a perfect pass and think Lanning should play because of it.

I disagree, I think most of the fan base KNOWS that SR has won 1 game in the big12 ever and if you or I were the backup qb and had never taken a snap everyone would still want us to at least get more than one snap in a blowout loss.

 

[twojman]

I disagree, I think most of the fan base KNOWS that SR has won 1 game in the big12 ever and if you or I were the backup qb and had never taken a snap everyone would still want us to at least get more than one snap in a blowout loss.

Rohach 2-3 vs. Big 12 Richardson 1-2 vs. FCS.

 

[Judoka]

I disagree, I think most of the fan base KNOWS that SR has won 1 game in the big12 ever.

Put in Tiller.