CPR on the td pass from Lanning to Lazard...

[tazclone]

So you are saying player execution sucked for three quarters.

Was responding to a poster that claimed we needed to go vertical more and throw it to Lazard every play. I found the "we need to go vertical more" odd because I thought we went vertical a lot. Thought it was odd when they said it in the call in show as well.

Player execution was pretty good until we got into TCU territory. We had success going vertical and then stalled when the field compressed and we couldn't go vertical. Player execution, AS ALWAYS, lacks at different times and from different players.

The QB always gets most of the blame as he is the most visible. I get that. I jts think people miss a lot of other issues out there.

 

[heitclone]

I just think people are fooling them selves to think that a QB change all of a sudden makes iSu capable of beating the number three team in the country

Has anyone said this? I don't think that's the case but I think you can make the argument that you're fooling yourself if you think a QB who has been average, even when at his best for 3+ years, is going to be able to do the same. I think people get tired of losing the exact same way, week in, week out. You can't expect to win when you stick your guns that have won you 4 out of your last 30 games. I think logical people would say we wouldn't do the exact same things with Lanning as we do with Sam. For me, a QB change is about trying something new, instead of bringing the same ineffective read option/bubble screen plays.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Has anyone said this? I don't think that's the case but I think you can make the argument that you're fooling yourself if you think a QB who has been average, even when at his best for 3+ years, is going to be able to do the same. I think people get tired of losing the exact same way, week in, week out. You can't expect to win when you stick your guns that have won you 4 out of your last 30 games. I think logical people would say we wouldn't do the exact same things with Lanning as we do with Sam. For me, a QB change is about trying something new, instead of bringing the same ineffective read option/bubble screen plays.

Nope, but tazclone has put it out there about 50 times now.

 

[Judoka]

Has anyone said this? I don't think that's the case but I think you can make the argument that you're fooling yourself if you think a QB who has been average, even when at his best for 3+ years, is going to be able to do the same. I think people get tired of losing the exact same way, week in, week out. You can't expect to win when you stick your guns that have won you 4 out of your last 30 games. I think logical people would say we wouldn't do the exact same things with Lanning as we do with Sam. For me, a QB change is about trying something new, instead of bringing the same ineffective read option/bubble screen plays.

Why on earth would you think that based on what we've seen out of Rhoads the past 7 years?

 

[tazclone]

On the throw to Warren, no - it was a designed mini rollout left so Bundrage could run a 12-yd Z route (break like running a square in and then break out). He had plenty of time to deliver as soon as Bundrage started the out. It was a good play call and was open. The read on the corner blitz is all about game study. Teams know he doesn't pick it up and throw toward the blitz very well - (see the KSU game last year at the end as well as the late throw to Montgomery at the end of this game the safety almost took to the house). Again, I don't put it all on Sam and thought he played decent, but between that and the fact that teams no longer worry about him running on the zone read puts this team with a small margin for error at a bigger disadvantage.

Are we talking about the same play? the one I am talking about, Sam drops straight back(no mini roll out) and Campos is beat by Carraway as Sam plants in his last drop step. I don't see any WR break in and out by the time Sam plants and there was safety help on the left side so a throw from the rt hash to the left sideline with a safety over top would not have been good. didn't realize he was actually hit as he threw but he sprobably should have gone to Warren a little quicker.

Agree about Sam not doing well attacking the blitz but the corner blitz was designed well and to his backside and no indication pre snap. It was play action so Sam rotates away from the blitzand is blind to that side. Campos should have slid off the double and picked it up or at least chipped but didn't. Especially since the rush was inside and Taiese had it. It was a great call by TCU.

 

[tazclone]

Has anyone said this? I don't think that's the case but I think you can make the argument that you're fooling yourself if you think a QB who has been average, even when at his best for 3+ years, is going to be able to do the same. I think people get tired of losing the exact same way, week in, week out. You can't expect to win when you stick your guns that have won you 4 out of your last 30 games. I think logical people would say we wouldn't do the exact same things with Lanning as we do with Sam. For me, a QB change is about trying something new, instead of bringing the same ineffective read option/bubble screen plays.

By calling for a different QB...yes...people are saying it. By calling for the back up QB, you are saying you think he will do better than the starter. Do you really think an offense that doesn't execute properly on a consistent basis is going to execute properly when they are preparing for two different styles? Do you honestly think an offense that isn't executing properly is going to execute properly if you change things up mid season? Ask them to do something different on top of what they already can't execute?

Do you think the WRs are going to block better if we go to Lanning running zone read/KSU type of offense? Do you think Bundrage and Campos don't jump offsides? Do you think they will drop fewer balls? Do you think the OTs will pass block better? Do you think Burton's knee will get healthier? Do you think Warren will be as effective if the defense knows Lanning is running up the middle as well as Warren?

 

[Gunnerclone]

By calling for a different QB...yes...people are saying it. By calling for the back up QB, you are saying you think he will do better than the starter. Do you really think an offense that doesn't execute properly on a consistent basis is going to execute properly when they are preparing for two different styles? Do you honestly think an offense that isn't executing properly is going to execute properly if you change things up mid season? Ask them to do something different on top of what they already can't execute?

Do you think the WRs are going to block better if we go to Lanning running zone read/KSU type of offense? Do you think Bundrage and Campos don't jump offsides? Do you think they will drop fewer balls? Do you think the OTs will pass block better? Do you think Burton's knee will get healthier? Do you think Warren will be as effective if the defense knows Lanning is running up the middle as well as Warren?

So basically your argument is it doesn't matter, so why are you so against pulling SR out?

 

[Judoka]

So basically your argument is it doesn't matter, so why are you so against pulling SR out?

Because I don't want Lanning to get the Paul Rhoads Starting Quarterback Experience (TM).

 

[jburke]

Because I don't want Lanning to get the Paul Rhoads Starting Quarterback Experience (TM).

Ouch..... kinda true though.....

 

[Gunnerclone]

Because I don't want Lanning to get the Paul Rhoads Starting Quarterback Experience (TM).

Dually Noted.

 

[tazclone]

So basically your argument is it doesn't matter, so why are you so against pulling SR out?

It does matter. I think if Lanning struggles with the mental side, it is much worse than what we see right now. IF he lacks the knowledge to change plays. IF he is more careless with the ball it could have been much worse. It was a ten point game with the number three team in the country until the 4th. Richardson had three incompletions in the 2nd and 3rd with none in the third. Why pull a guy when he is playing well?

TCU brought six(4 DL and both LBs) on most plays and said...throw the ball. On top of that, our best OL went down in the first series of the second half. By bringing six they eliminated the zone read that Lanning does well as most his keeps are inside the tackles. They gave single coverage until they had a 17 point lead. Sam was throwing the ball well (contrary to your belief) so there wasn't much Lanning brought that Sam wasn't already doing.


As I have always said...I would like to see Lanning more than what we saw on Saturday. Particularly in opposing territory. I do understand why they didn't do it Saturday

 

[Wally86]

Good post. I think about this a lot, it just baffles me that this coaching staff thinks they can just follow the "How to Run a CFB Program" book and be successful. I was at the point where I thought Rhoads should have just kept his trap shut but honestly he should have taken that play and just blanketed everyone with "that was great", "amazing play on both ends" "this is the future you can look forward to" and on and on. Somehow he decided to do exactly the opposite it's freaking crazy man. Just crazy.

i really think the comments have us more upset than the level of qb execution. If Rhoads confirms the play was great execution and then says we will see more as the season progresses we are impatient but not 20% as annoyed.

 

[Wally86]

Has anyone said this? I don't think that's the case but I think you can make the argument that you're fooling yourself if you think a QB who has been average, even when at his best for 3+ years, is going to be able to do the same. I think people get tired of losing the exact same way, week in, week out. You can't expect to win when you stick your guns that have won you 4 out of your last 30 games. I think logical people would say we wouldn't do the exact same things with Lanning as we do with Sam. For me, a QB change is about trying something new, instead of bringing the same ineffective read option/bubble screen plays.

Well said.

 

[TXCyclones]

And Lanning comes in and makes a TD pass to Bundrage. Probably another pass that "shouldn't have been thrown"...