Cy-Hawk Game Discussion

[Statefan10]

Brian Ferentz and their offensive philosophy is more the issue than anything. I think you would be underestimating them if you think he doesn't have any weapons. Kaleb Johnson is very good at RB and the combination of All and Lachey is better than he had at Michigan at TE. Receivers were definitely better at Michigan but though he hasn't done anything yet Kaleb Brown would have been the highest ranked receiver out of high school at Michigan since Donavan Peoples Jones. The rest of their receivers are meh though.

I should rephrase. Kaleb Johnson and the TE's are good, however the OL is garbage which takes away Johnson's abilities as well as hurts Cade in his protection to get the ball to anyone on the team. I think naming Brown is meaningless. He has caught a grand total of one pass in his entire career. I know he's young and I do think he could/can/will be good, but he's not good right now, and that's all I was saying. Cade's all around weapons with Blake Corum, Hassan Haskins, Donavon Edwards, Cornelius Johnson, Ronnie Bell, and Roman Wilson that he had at Michigan the last two years absolutely dwarf anything he's got at Iowa at the moment. Not to mention, again, he went from having the best OL to a bad OL.

 

[mitchforcy]

I should rephrase. Kaleb Johnson and the TE's are good, however the OL is garbage which takes away Johnson's abilities as well as hurts Cade in his protection to get the ball to anyone on the team. I think naming Brown is meaningless. He has caught a grand total of one pass in his entire career. I know he's young and I do think he could/can/will be good, but he's not good right now, and that's all I was saying. Cade's all around weapons with Blake Corum, Hassan Haskins, Donavon Edwards, Cornelius Johnson, Ronnie Bell, and Roman Wilson that he had at Michigan the last two years absolutely dwarf anything he's got at Iowa at the moment. Not to mention, again, he went from having the best OL to a bad OL.

They didn't run ball particularly well but they did pass block very very well against Utah State which I don't think they did once last year. Now that is Utah State so it's TBD. But if they can protect McNamara in a similar fashion then I think they have good enough weapons to score enough points to win. If our DL can perform like they did against UNI we will win.

 

[madguy30]

Does Rocco have a slight mental advantage over Cade, having been in this game before? Obviously he didnt play, but he went through the same preparations and knows what it takes to win this game. Not saying Cade hasnt played in big games, but the UM/OSU game doesnt quite compare to this one

Edit-this made more sense in my head before i said it out loud. Apologies for distracting from our Cyhawk Game Discussion

Have you ever watched the UM/tOSU game.

It's actually one of biggest rivalries out there.

 

[StLouisClone]

Jack Trice will be the 3rd smallest stadium he has ever played in

Not quite. McNamara has played 7 career road games. 3 were in smaller stadiums than Jack Trice (Maryland, Rutgers and Minnesota).

 

[Ingynow]

If we can run the ball I'll feel a little more confident. Rocco was great last week but I'm nervous if he gets pressured and feels he needs to play to win against this Iowa defense, that's what killed Purdy over and over again. Just get the ball to our playmakers.
I'm excited though! Should be a fun game.

Utah State had 4.8 yds per rush on the team out east. If we can't match or beat that against them, we will have way more problems the rest of the season.

That was the best game against UNI I have seen in years. I feel the same about this weekend and that this will be the cleanest game ISU has had against the team out east in years. Good guys 20-13

 

[CyclonePigskin]

Utah State had 4.8 yds per rush on the team out east. If we can't match or beat that against them, we will have way more problems the rest of the season.

That was the best game against UNI I have seen in years. I feel the same about this weekend and that this will be the cleanest game ISU has had against the team out east in years. Good guys 20-13

While I think you overstate your case in the first, I’ll take your 2nd paragraph and raise you: 24-13.

 

[Statefan10]

They didn't run ball particularly well but they did pass block very very well against Utah State which I don't think they did once last year. Now that is Utah State so it's TBD. But if they can protect McNamara in a similar fashion then I think they have good enough weapons to score enough points to win. If our DL can perform like they did against UNI we will win.

They ran the ball horribly. They ran for 88 yards at 2.4 ypc. From my eyes, their OL didn't pass block poorly but they weren't very very good as you'd say. Cade did do a very good job getting rid of the ball quickly though, which is what Spencer rarely ever did, and if he did it was going into the stands as a souvenir.

Even with that though, Cade threw for under 50% against a poor defense and should've thrown a couple interceptions but the defense dropped em.

 

[mitchforcy]

Utah State had 4.8 yds per rush on the team out east. If we can't match or beat that against them, we will have way more problems the rest of the season.

That was the best game against UNI I have seen in years. I feel the same about this weekend and that this will be the cleanest game ISU has had against the team out east in years. Good guys 20-13

That figure is a little misleading. 55 of their rushing yards came after they put their back ups in. They ran for 61 yards on 18 attempts against the first team defense for an average of 3.8. They still have a very good defense. Not as good as last year but it's very good.

 

[Statefan10]

That figure is a little misleading. 55 of their rushing yards came after they put their back ups in. They ran for 61 yards on 18 attempts against the first team defense for an average of 3.8. They still have a very good defense. Not as good as last year but it's very good.

Yeah I went back and watched the full game. All those yards happened in garbage time.

 

[CascadeClone]

Jack Trice will be the 3rd smallest stadium he has ever played in

Which 5 of these 7 stadiums has he not played in? How do you avoid half the teams in your conference over 3 years?

Or is the point here that he didn't PLAY in those games?

• Memorial Stadium (Illinois) – 60,670
• Ross-Ade Stadium (Purdue) – 57,282
• Memorial Stadium (Indiana) – 52,656
• SHI Stadium (Rutgers) – 52,454
• Maryland Stadium (Maryland) – 51,802
• Hungtington Bank Stadium (Minnesota) – 50,850
• Ryan Field (Northwestern) – 47,130

 

[stateofmind]

After listening to a couple podcasts around this game I decided to go back and look at statistics over the last 5 games played between these 2. Frustrating to say the least.

ISU\IOWA
First Downs avg. 19\16
Rushing Yards avg. 89.2\101.2
Rushing yards per attempt. 3.3\2.78
Passing Yards avg. 255.8\179.6
Passing yards per attempt. 6.6\5.62
INT 1.2\0.2
Fumbles 1\0.4
Penalties 4.4\5.8
Redzone opp. 3\2.8
Total Yard avg. 345\280.8
Total Points 88\109
Score avg. 15.6\20.4

When looking at the stats the big difference is the turnovers. I didn't try to find the hidden yards that Woody likes to talk about. But turnovers and special teams are the most important difference in this series. I know that's obvious, but looking at the stats you can really see we have been pretty good offensively and defensively. 2.2 turnovers to .6 turnovers and the hidden yards that come with that is awful.

If Rocco and the RBs can protect the ball I think we should win this game with some room to spare. If we can even keep it to -1 TO we still win a close one. Assuming that our punter and kickers do what they did week one.

 

[mitchforcy]

They ran the ball horribly. They ran for 88 yards at 2.4 ypc. From my eyes, their OL didn't pass block poorly but they weren't very very good as you'd say. Cade did do a very good job getting rid of the ball quickly though, which is what Spencer rarely ever did, and if he did it was going into the stands as a souvenir.

Even with that though, Cade threw for under 50% against a poor defense and should've thrown a couple interceptions but the defense dropped em.

PFF has them as the 15th highest rated in pass blocking currently. Again it's utah state so take it with a grain of salt. The pass protection grades on PFF are really good with the exception of Colby. They only gave up one pressure in 33 pass attempts.

McNamara was also 17/30 and his receivers credited with three drops so he wasn't sub 50%. Both Ragaini and Lachey dropped a couple passes that were right on the money that would have been touchdowns. He wasn't elite or anything but he's way better than Petras ever was which is really all they need.

 

[RagingCloner]

PFF has them as the 15th highest rated in pass blocking currently. Again it's utah state so take it with a grain of salt. View attachment 116415 The pass protection grades on PFF are really good with the exception of Colby. They only gave up one pressure in 30 drop backs. View attachment 116414

McNamara was also 17/30 and his receivers credited with three drops so he wasn't sub 50%. Both Ragaini and Lachey dropped a couple passes that were right on the money that would have been touchdowns. He wasn't elite or anything but he's way better than Petras ever was which is really all they need.

Out of curiosity, did you look up where ISU ranked using this same data?

 

[theshadow]

When looking at the stats the big difference is the turnovers.

Historically, whoever wins the TO margin also wins this game 80% of the time. And if the margin is even, the road team has won more times than the home team.

 

[mitchforcy]

Out of curiosity, did you look up where ISU ranked using this same data?

Towards the bottom. Neal and Simmons were not good in pass pro.

 

[Statefan10]

PFF has them as the 15th highest rated in pass blocking currently. Again it's utah state so take it with a grain of salt. View attachment 116415 The pass protection grades on PFF are really good with the exception of Colby. They only gave up one pressure in 30 drop backs. View attachment 116414

McNamara was also 17/30 and his receivers credited with three drops so he wasn't sub 50%. Both Ragaini and Lachey dropped a couple passes that were right on the money that would have been touchdowns. He wasn't elite or anything but he's way better than Petras ever was which is really all they need.

That's my bad on the 17/30 I swear it was 35 attempts. Ragaini's ball was indeed catchable but that actually would've been an incredible play by him. He had to arch back very far to try and haul that in. I do agree though that all he needs is to be better than Spencer, which was essentially impossible not to do. We'll have to continue to see how he plays. He's still pretty banged up and if we're able to get to him like we got to Theo, he may make some poor decisions.

 

[Statefan10]

Towards the bottom. View attachment 116417 Neal and Simmons were not good in pass pro. View attachment 116416

They were horrid. There were like 4 times each that they flat out whiffed on blocks. That has to get figured out.

 

[RagingCloner]

Towards the bottom. View attachment 116417 Neal and Simmons were not good in pass pro. View attachment 116416

Man, no way should Simmons or Neal be starting. total liabilities it seems

 

[mitchforcy]

That's my bad on the 17/30 I swear it was 35 attempts. Ragaini's ball was indeed catchable but that actually would've been an incredible play by him. He had to arch back very far to try and haul that in. I do agree though that all he needs is to be better than Spencer, which was essentially impossible not to do. We'll have to continue to see how he plays. He's still pretty banged up and if we're able to get to him like we got to Theo, he may make some poor decisions.

I think it's probably 50/50 he actually finishes the game.

 

[RagingCloner]

Towards the bottom. View attachment 116417 Neal and Simmons were not good in pass pro. View attachment 116416

I wonder how bad the grades were last year by comparison. I have a sneaking suspicion they may have been close to the same as this year