The record only 55-39 (22-26 conf) isn’t horrible. 16-14 with that last team was not great. Scheduling scandal (not sure if that was really as major as some think), APR issues, etc. Or is the insinuation that he was fired solely because he is African-American.
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The record only 55-39 (22-26 conf) isn’t horrible. 16-14 with that last team was not great. Scheduling scandal (not sure if that was really as major as some think), APR issues, etc. Or is the insinuation that he was fired solely because he is African-American.
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Of course not. You're incapable of anything that isn't "I back Prohm."
My guess the scheduling scandal was a bigger deal than some think. Wayne's college coaching career was put on a 3 year hiatus before he came back as an assistant at Hofstra. Wayne was a longtime Boeheim assistant and knowledgeable about running a zone defense. Plus he was a solid recruiter with great east coast connections. If the scheduling issue was minor, he would have been at a P5 school within a couple years of his ISU firing.
There were also rumblings about Morgan's sideline deportment during games that folks in the lower bowl didn't appreciate. Also I don't think Pollard bought into Morgan's "process". Remember Pollard came from Wisconsin and the Big 10.
I completely understand the determination was to move on. But with a resume(which you said was a fair conversation and what this is about)as good or better than T.J's.......what makes you think T.J. will be:
...especially at this level? There is nothing in his resume that says he can anymore than Wayne. And saying otherwise is purely subjective to just wanting him here.
And this was never meant to be a trip down memory lane just a comparison of resume's. But since you brought it up, that "painful" year.......the ONLY "painful" year under Wayne he had to replace quite a few people....and the best recruit(Taggert)was very sick early, lost a ton of weight and wasn't effective at all. Also, I doubt you remember or maybe not even care, but that 6-10 conference record, they lost 6 of those games by a grand total of...............14 points. So his "painful" year makes EVERY year of GMAC look like a booger. And T.J. was a part of GMAC's booger so....sorry, if Steve is gone my vote is to look elsewhere. And please, don't bring up his time with Fred..........I'll just say Matt, or Bobby or Doc.
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Yeah that season got worse as it went along. Also lost to probation-period Baylor — by 24.
Wayne Morgan was caught up in a pay for recruits scandal. Do people not remember this? There was a company called D1 Scheduling and it had nothing to do with scheduling.
Yes, but my post wasn't in reference to anything other than the season went sour.
Sorry didn’t mean to single you out, but people were just posting along like Wayne was terminated for his record. Pollard used that last year not making the tourney as cover in the firing statement.
Something like 50 of the P6 schools used D1 Scheduling. There was no link to any recruit ISU pursued that had any ties to it. I remember it quite well.
YEah the thing that sucked about that was the fact that we got some OK juco player. We didn't even get a really good player. We got Anthony Davis. WHo I can't even remember if he was a starter. Man the roster that year was basically Curtis and Blalock. Taggart got hurt early, Tasheed was ok that year, Degand never amounted to anything even when he transferred. Oh and Ross Marsden. Can't remember if Jiri was suspended that first 6 games of that year or not.
IMO both objectively and subjectively that was much ado about nothing in the end. I think it looked worse from a PR standpoint than it actually was.
And it was also really pumped up in the national media at the time by a sports "journalist" named Gregg Doyle whom I personally despite enough that I would pay money to watch him be set on fire. He's such a ginormous d*ouche that he makes Skip Bayless look good by comparison.
Man....blast from the past! IIRC, he was a pretty solid player for us on some not very good teams.
Thanks -- I assumed your response was more of a general comment. Didn't mean to bark at you.
Also had Rahshon. Turned out to be the only (eventual) impact player who stayed more than 1 more year, I think.
Wayne’s team lost some close ones early in the conference but the end of the season was a bit brutal. Lost to a 7-9 Nebraska at home by double digits, loss to 4-12 Baylor by 22 on the road and finished the year losing 7 of the last 9. No post season for a squad that started the season in the Top 25. I was also in Dallas for that Big 12 tournament and it seemed very clear that the team was ready to be done with the season. Stark contrast to Wayne’s first year. 2006 was also a bad year of basketball for the Big 12. 7 of the 12 teams had losing records in the conference and only 4 teams went to the NCAA tournament.
But you are missing the point. Wayne got the job with his resume. He was fired for the on/off court issues after three years. If Wayne’s resume was good enough for you back in 2004 then why would you have an issue with T.J. or the resume of any another competent mid-major?
