Do you like our offensive scheme???

[Rural]

Count me in as hating this offense. If it worked, I'd like it.

 

[TuckerBlayze]

Count me in as hating this offense. If it worked, I'd like it.

More accurate passer and faster/quicker receivers and this offense would look alot different.

 

[CykoAGR]

agreed, not sure why we didnt just keep running the ball... it did get away from ISU quickly in the 3rd quarter so running was no longer an option. I think we should be running the ball about 60% of time.

I'd say 41-14 at half is not a great time to "stick to the run"

 

[CykoAGR]

More accurate passer and faster/quicker receivers and this offense would look alot different.

This. If we had more talented QB/WR this offense would be much different. And our OL would not look as bad because the QB would get rid of the ball quicker

I HATE the fact that AA looks to the sideline every play even when the D is shuffling people on and off the field. I see multilple opportunities to get penalties on the D-fense but we look to the sideline for 5 seconds and allow them to get set.

 

[SenorCy]

I personally hate how the QB holds the ball or fakes the handoff for like 3 seconds...I also don't like how we look to the sidelines before every play...

on a side note i think we should have ran the ball more vs Utah...it seemed to be working, but we abandoned it, or for some reason we had the wildcat early in the game..

also the refs were terrible

The read option is a horrible thing to run. Its not like Texas won a national championship running it or anything.

 

[heitclone]

This. If we had more talented QB/WR this offense would be much different. And our OL would not look as bad because the QB would get rid of the ball quicker

I HATE the fact that AA looks to the sideline every play even when the D is shuffling people on and off the field. I see multilple opportunities to get penalties on the D-fense but we look to the sideline for 5 seconds and allow them to get set.

I know it hurts some peoples feelings to be critical of Austen but he was in over his head the other night. I agree with you about catching the defense off guard but I'm not sure we would have wanted AA shooting from the hip. Utah had his head spinning with some of the looks he was getting and he was never able to get in a groove. I'm not blaming Austen entirely but he's the key to passing game and if you look at the games this season its easy to see when we can move the ball through the air we're very tough to stop.

 

[isufbcurt]

I personally hate how the QB holds the ball or fakes the handoff for like 3 seconds...I also don't like how we look to the sidelines before every play...

on a side note i think we should have ran the ball more vs Utah...it seemed to be working, but we abandoned it, or for some reason we had the wildcat early in the game..

also the refs were terrible

The same offense is working pretty well for Okie State so I dont think its a scheme problem

 

[Cyclonestate78]

This.

Did anyone watch NU dismantle KSU with the read option? Martinez literally pulled the ball out of the RBs hands on his reads and exploded for TDs multiple times. It works exceptionally well when run correctly.
We have run it well in the past but it just didn't work out this weekend and we were outgunned.

I think the system itself is good, but it is still a work in progress.

This. Then again we don't have the talent at qb or the o-line that makes running the zone read lethal. Arnaud is good for 5 yards or so on a consistent basis because he can flat out run over defenders because he is tough to bring down. He isn't going to bust one up the middle for 80 yards like Martinez can. We need a qb with a little more explosive running ability before it will work. Did you see the Nebraska receivers running wide open down the field against K-State? That is what happens when you have a very dangerous running qb. Defenders bite on the run constantly.

 

[TuckerBlayze]

The read option is a horrible thing to run. Its not like Texas won a national championship running it or anything.

:biglaugh:

 

[snowcraig2.0]

I wonder what Steve Loney is up to these days?

 

[Senolcyc]

I personally hate how the QB holds the ball or fakes the handoff for like 3 seconds...I also don't like how we look to the sidelines before every play...

on a side note i think we should have ran the ball more vs Utah...it seemed to be working, but we abandoned it, or for some reason we had the wildcat early in the game..

also the refs were terrible

As soon as I can figure out if Iowa State has an offensive scheme, I'll let you know if I like it.

 

[WhoISthis]

No. It cannot get that much worse though.
We need playmakers for this offense.

 

[sdcyfan]

I don't mind our system, but like alot of you.....don't think we have the players to run it effectively. I do think guys like Jarvis West, Ted Lampkin, Keith Blanton, etc. will help us in the future. Personally, I played football at the collegiate level and I will say that coach Herman is somewhat limited in his play calling when it comes to AA. Austen is a great student athlete, great role model for the university, but as far as running this kind of offense we are somewhat limited.

I also think some blame needs to be put on Herman at some point too though. As an OC your job is to put your players in positions to succeed. Some times I'm not sure if he always does this with Arnaud.

 

[temperflare]

I hate the spread. It's girly. It's also necessary when you don't have the talent to line up man to man.

Personally, I prefer the offset I. You can do a million things from that formation.

 

[Rural]

The old Houston Veer.
We should give that a try.

 

[sportsfandave]

Until we can stop a team that has a running game does it really matter
what type of offense we run.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

I would have to disagree with you on this. AA doesn't read that play very well at all! Except for the one time in the Northern Illinois game where he went 50 some yards (got called back for a penatly) he just hasn't been good.
I know his shoulder hurts but right now he is NO threat at all to keep on the read option. Go back and watch the Utah defensive ends just crash as hard as they could. The first play in the second half, he pulled it and went 10 yards untouched. This really could have been done all game long or atleast made the defense make adjustments to actually respect the QB running.

You even bolded my sentence when I said "...when healthy". AA isn't healthy and he can't run the read-option effectively right now. Heck, ARob isn't healthy right now. AA and ARob were not healthy at times last year. When healthly ARob can rip off some yards, he still had a 1200+ yd season last year and AA ran for 500+ and I believe led QBs in rushing in the B12 last year.

 

[tazclone]

More accurate passer and faster/quicker receivers and this offense would look alot different.

This is the answer. There is a reason we have recruited something like 7-8 WRs in the last two classes. And AA is not a fit in this offense especially when he his hurt. News flash though. Unless you have a QB like Martinez, teams will always force your QB to keep the ball as they are going to be less durable than a RB.

 

[tazclone]

I don't mind our system, but like alot of you.....don't think we have the players to run it effectively. I do think guys like Jarvis West, Ted Lampkin, Keith Blanton, etc. will help us in the future. Personally, I played football at the collegiate level and I will say that coach Herman is somewhat limited in his play calling when it comes to AA. Austen is a great student athlete, great role model for the university, but as far as running this kind of offense we are somewhat limited.

I also think some blame needs to be put on Herman at some point too though. As an OC your job is to put your players in positions to succeed. Some times I'm not sure if he always does this with Arnaud.

There are two ways to build a program.

1. Implement systems and find players that fit that system.
2. Change your system to fit the players.

I don't think there is a right or wrong way but I think you see more long term, sustained success with implementing a system and finding the players. Texas is a fine example right now. They are trying to convert back to a power running pro set type of offense and are not doing well. Even with the talent and athletes they have, changing systems takes time. I do think at ISU you have to have the ability to tweek your system because you won't consistently get "your" players. Similar to what OSU has done from last year into this year. McFarland did this in year two as well.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

There are two ways to build a program.

1. Implement systems and find players that fit that system.
2. Change your system to fit the players.

I don't think there is a right or wrong way but I think you see more long term, sustained success with implementing a system and finding the players. Texas is a fine example right now. They are trying to convert back to a power running pro set type of offense and are not doing well. Even with the talent and athletes they have, changing systems takes time. I do think at ISU you have to have the ability to tweek your system because you won't consistently get "your" players. Similar to what OSU has done from last year into this year. McFarland did this in year two as well.

I think Herman implemented his offense and they are trying to get players for it. Last year, he tweaked it to be a run-first offense; based on the players we have. This year, the line isn't as good at run blocking; so they are struggling.