Does the legacy of the "mayor" change after this?

randomfan44

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We were undoubtedly all confused and the dream was always getting coaching experience so he could get a job with any NBA team that would take him.
This. Maybe this was his dream job and he just failed to mention that this was just the portion of his dream where he learned how to coach in a safe, comfortable job where everyone worshiped him until he was ready to head into the next part of him dream which was an NBA head coaching job...
 

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For me, it absolutely changes.

I don't blame him for going to the pro's, don't I don't think he owed it to us to stay. I also don't blame fans for being upset, and don't think we owe him a thing either. I'm not one of those "We were so fortunate to have Freddy while he was here" people. It was a reciprocal relationship. Ames has shown Hoiberg nothing but love, they gave him a great atmosphere to grow up in, he gave us his great college years, Ames gave him an opportunity to coach a B12 team with no prior experience, and he pulled our team out of the gutter. We both benefited, Iowa State was willing to pay him lots of money and give him endless support but he decided it was time to move on. With it he'll leave behind the university money, and my support.

We don't owe him any more well wishes or support any more than he owes us to stay. If he wants to chase his dream of coaching in the NBA that's fine. I for one am a Cyclone fan first, and a Hoiberg fan second. I had hoped he'd stay here and build something special. Instead he's opting to leave a team of returning players with potential to be one of the best Cyclone teams ever. As a fan of the team, it leaves us in a lurch.

I hope Cyclone fans pick themselves up by the boot straps and get over the begging for Hoiberg to stay quickly. We gave him all of the support, love, and opportunities that a fan base can possibly give a single person. This move makes it clear, Iowa State is not his dream. I've been rooting for Hoiberg since I was a little kid. If he doesn't want to be here, so be it. This is a reciprocal relationship after all, if he doesn't want to be here I don't want him to be here. If he doesn't want to put energy into growing our program I don't feel compelled to put energy into rooting him on in his endeavors. If Iowa State isn't his dream, him coaching here isn't my dream. If Fred is approaching this like a business, then I have no problem approaching it as such as well.

I'll remember watching Hoiberg, Meyer, Meachum and crew fondly as a kid. I'll remember the few good seasons he gave us as a coach with a smile. But I'm not going to refer to him as the mayor anymore. He'll go down in my book as a great player, but a coach of unrealized potential. One who built a team that could have been great, but never lived up to that label. A coach who could have built something special, but left for greener pastures. He can have historic success in the NBA or wash out overnight, I couldn't care either way. The only program I care about going forward is the Cyclones.
 

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I hope Fred gets invited to stay at his friend's lake house for the weekend but only packs for two nights, and then his wife agrees to stay for an extra night, so Fred has to borrow his friend's short-sleeve hoodie that smells like camp fire.
 

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Fran and the hoks along with Self and the jayhoks are laughing at us right now. I thought Fred was going to be the chosen one to permanently crush them, drive them before us, and let us hear the lamentation of their women.
I did feel that he would eventually leave for the NBA, just not this soon. He decided to leave us right in the midst of our rise. For me personally, there is unfinished business and his legacy is tarnished.
 

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For me, it absolutely changes.

I don't blame him for going to the pro's, don't I don't think he owed it to us to stay. I also don't blame fans for being upset, and don't think we owe him a thing either. I'm not one of those "We were so fortunate to have Freddy while he was here" people. It was a reciprocal relationship. Ames has shown Hoiberg nothing but love, they gave him a great atmosphere to grow up in, he gave us his great college years, Ames gave him an opportunity to coach a B12 team with no prior experience, and he pulled our team out of the gutter. We both benefited, Iowa State was willing to pay him lots of money and give him endless support but he decided it was time to move on. With it he'll leave behind the university money, and my support.

We don't owe him any more well wishes or support any more than he owes us to stay. If he wants to chase his dream of coaching in the NBA that's fine. I for one am a Cyclone fan first, and a Hoiberg fan second. I had hoped he'd stay here and build something special. Instead he's opting to leave a team of returning players with potential to be one of the best Cyclone teams ever. As a fan of the team, it leaves us in a lurch.

I hope Cyclone fans pick themselves up by the boot straps and get over the begging for Hoiberg to stay quickly. We gave him all of the support, love, and opportunities that a fan base can possibly give a single person. This move makes it clear, Iowa State is not his dream. I've been rooting for Hoiberg since I was a little kid. If he doesn't want to be here, so be it. This is a reciprocal relationship after all, if he doesn't want to be here I don't want him to be here. If he doesn't want to put energy into growing our program I don't feel compelled to put energy into rooting him on in his endeavors. If Iowa State isn't his dream, him coaching here isn't my dream. If Fred is approaching this like a business, then I have no problem approaching it as such as well.

I'll remember watching Hoiberg, Meyer, Meachum and crew fondly as a kid. I'll remember the few good seasons he gave us as a coach with a smile. But I'm not going to refer to him as the mayor anymore. He'll go down in my book as a great player, but a coach of unrealized potential. One who built a team that could have been great, but never lived up to that label. A coach who could have built something special, but left for greener pastures. He can have historic success in the NBA or wash out overnight, I couldn't care either way. The only program I care about going forward is the Cyclones.

What a great write-up. I feel almost exactly the same way. Here's to 2015-16.
 

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Have to say, Niang's silence is pretty large right now. Can't imagine what he's thinking.
 

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Have to say, Niang's silence is pretty large right now. Can't imagine what he's thinking.
When Jameel tweeted about nobody leaving and everybody having the same goal he tweeted him back "Speak" and then quickly deleted it. I think he's very hurt but he'll be ready to ball next season.
 

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It depends.

If the next coach is successful then Fred will be remembered as the one who set the foundation and saved ISU bball. If the next coach fails then Fred will be remembered as the one who left us when we needed him most.
 

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Have to say, Niang's silence is pretty large right now. Can't imagine what he's thinking.

Not sure what he's supposed to say but Im not even a tiny bit worried about Geogres, he's a warrior and is a Cyclone through and through. Im pumped to see the focus the seniors come out with next season.
 

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Did anyone get the story behind this? I remember George's mom commenting here that she didn't like Otz coming back. Do we know why?

I believe the theory is it meant Hoiberg leaving and TJ new head coach. Although one of those imbeciles on KXNO seems to think Georges really hates TJ. Neither version is very appealing.
 

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So does that mean the drinking pictures should not be part of Eustachy's legacy. They came out after his last game.

Their ISU legacy ends when their employment at ISU ends. LE's drinking pics came out while he was employed by ISU.