Doug McDermott

[06Panther]

What "approach" are you talking about? McD recruited three out-of-state NBA type players in his first few months on the job in Taylor, W.Johnson, and Brackins. What has been lacking is capable, consistent PG play in his first 3 seasons. If he had it, there would no discussion or ******** about his "approach".

Agreed. Its all about the PG. Last year at UNI, we did not have one true point guard on the team, and we were mediocre all season. This past year, we brought in three guys that could play the point, and throughout the season they got experience and, by the end of the year we were playing in the NCAA's.

You can have all the great forwards that you want, ie Brackins, or Johnson, but it isn't going to work without a PG.

 

[06Panther]

The Zags have had a good run, not as good as George Mason's, but good.

Huh? One good season does not override 10 good seasons. Consistent success is MUCH more difficult than making one good run.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Huh? One good season does not override 10 good seasons. Consistent success is MUCH more difficult than making one good run.

Exactly, so you, me and the Zags fan are all in agreement that consistent challenges throughout a duration of time is more difficult than a short-lived run, especially after a long duration of little formidable competition. lol, I thought the George Mason comment would successful.

 

[CrossCyed]

Huh? One good season does not override 10 good seasons. Consistent success is MUCH more difficult than making one good run.

I don't know, what George Mason did is pretty ******* difficult too. I'd agree what Gonzaga did is more difficult, but George Mason was ******* enchanted that March.

 

[CycloneErik]

George Mason has gotten to the tournament four times since the Zags' run started in 1999, compared to Gonzaga's eleven. George Mason had one freak amazing performance making it to the Final Four in 2006. The other three years, they were one and done.

But it's not all about the NCAA tournament. Last year Gonzaga had more nationally televised games on ESPN than any college bb program except Duke. The kids love that opportunity to play on the biggest stages, including a rumored game against Duke in MSG this coming season, beating UConn in Boston last year, and losing to them in a relative squeaker last season.

I apologize for derailing your thread. That was not my intent. Zag fans didn't wax euphoric about Doug on th Zags board, but I believe that all these kids that put their hearts and souls into the game of basketball need to be shown respect and not be blown off as "not good enough" too early.

BTW, John Stockton's kid David is walking on for the Zags this fall. Can't wait to see what he does as a Zag!

Edited to add: "Not being an ***, just genuinely curious. What brings a Gonzaga fan to an ISU board"

I run a little daily google about Zag prospects, and this thread popped up. I was interested and thought you might be interested to know of the Zags' apparently looking at Doug. Maybe not so much?

Nice post. I agree with you here. George Mason had the one bigger year with the Final Four trip, but the overall body of work from Gonzaga is more impressive.

I really enjoy watching Gonzaga. I think that most every college basketball fan should be able to look at that program and be encouraged that it could happen with their favorite program, no matter what the program's conference affiliation is, history/tradition are, and the like. All it takes is an opportunity and desire, and college basketball is a sport that leaves that more wide-open than most others.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

George Mason has gotten to the tournament four times since the Zags' run started in 1999, compared to Gonzaga's eleven. George Mason had one freak amazing performance making it to the Final Four in 2006. The other three years, they were one and done.

But it's not all about the NCAA tournament. Last year Gonzaga had more nationally televised games on ESPN than any college bb program except Duke. The kids love that opportunity to play on the biggest stages, including a rumored game against Duke in MSG this coming season, beating UConn in Boston last year, and losing to them in a relative squeaker last season.

I apologize for derailing your thread. That was not my intent. Zag fans didn't wax euphoric about Doug on th Zags board, but I believe that all these kids that put their hearts and souls into the game of basketball need to be shown respect and not be blown off as "not good enough" too early.

BTW, John Stockton's kid David is walking on for the Zags this fall. Can't wait to see what he does as a Zag!

Edited to add: "Not being an ***, just genuinely curious. What brings a Gonzaga fan to an ISU board"

I run a little daily google about Zag prospects, and this thread popped up. I was interested and thought you might be interested to know of the Zags' apparently looking at Doug. Maybe not so much?

Zag, I am indifferent to arguing with you, but you took to the George Mason bait too easily.
Original claim: Zags are superior to BCS conference teams due to the barometer of the NCAA tournament.
We all know the rebuttal of it being harder to win in a BCS conference, due to the increased number of quality opponents. Like you said, "one freak amazing performance making it to the Final Four in 2006. The other three years, they were one and done.". This logic must also be true on the micro scale of a season: one freak run after being rewarded for the completion of an easier regular season is not sublime.

-Iowa had all of their games on TV as well, and I am guessing played in front of more people than the Zags.
-Come on, rumored basketball games, really?
-I will give programs like Butler, GU, Creighton props for playing a few good non-conference games. If ISU/Iowa could coast in the conference season, I could see them doing that as well.
-Spokane is underrated.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

What "approach" are you talking about? McD recruited three out-of-state NBA type players in his first few months on the job in Taylor, W.Johnson, and Brackins. What has been lacking is capable, consistent PG play in his first 3 seasons. If he had it, there would no discussion or ******** about his "approach".

Look at his first three classes, and compare to what type of players we are now going after, how we give the offers out, etc.

 

[Wesley]

I'm sorry you feel that way, but you are wrong. You can take that to the bank!

Citibank or Bank of America? I would think he would go where there was a schollie to get more playing time.

 

[coachdags]

-Come on, rumored basketball games, really?
.

Duke vs Gonzaga could happen in MSG both are invited (scheduled) to play in a Nationally televised tourney, just a matter of who wins opening round games...

Zags were released from a Game scheduled against NDSU for this purpose...

Bison-Gonzaga game called off | INFORUM | Fargo, ND


Back on topic....

Doug will end up either as a 1st year walk-on for Dad at ISU,(then earn a schollie) or a full ride to UNI and play for Jake. Doug's choice, but if I were to bet....I going with ISU..!

 

[06Panther]

Zag, I am indifferent to arguing with you, but you took to the George Mason bait too easily.
Original claim: Zags are superior to BCS conference teams due to the barometer of the NCAA tournament.
We all know the rebuttal of it being harder to win in a BCS conference, due to the increased number of quality opponents. Like you said, "one freak amazing performance making it to the Final Four in 2006. The other three years, they were one and done.". This logic must also be true on the micro scale of a season: one freak run after being rewarded for the completion of an easier regular season is not sublime.

-Iowa had all of their games on TV as well, and I am guessing played in front of more people than the Zags.
-Come on, rumored basketball games, really?
-I will give programs like Butler, GU, Creighton props for playing a few good non-conference games. If ISU/Iowa could coast in the conference season, I could see them doing that as well.
-Spokane is underrated.

Yeah, the conference grind is much tougher in the big 12 than the Great West, but Gonzaga always goes out and plays ridiculously tough non-conf schedules. Much tougher than the majority of teams from the BCS leagues. While Iowa State is playing SDSU at home in the non conf preparing for big 12 play, Gonzaga is playing UNC on a road/neutural court. So, for the most part, the scheduling differences really even out IMO.

Also, you have to consider that many of the mid major teams have to win 85-90% of their conference games to contend for an at large selection, while many BCS teams have to be right at or slightly above .500 in the conference to contend for an at large selection.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Yeah, the conference grind is much tougher in the big 12 than the Great West, but Gonzaga always goes out and plays ridiculously tough non-conf schedules. Much tougher than the majority of teams from the BCS leagues. While Iowa State is playing SDSU at home in the non conf preparing for big 12 play, Gonzaga is playing UNC on a road/neutural court. So, for the most part, the scheduling differences really even out IMO.

Also, you have to consider that many of the mid major teams have to win 85-90% of their conference games to contend for an at large selection, while many BCS teams have to be right at or slightly above .500 in the conference to contend for an at large selection.

-I will give programs like Butler, GU, Creighton props for playing a few good non-conference games. If ISU/Iowa could coast in the conference season, I could see them doing that as well. Although Cal, Iowa, ND, Northwestern are not bad when you already play in the Big 12. Plus some quality in Houston, maybe SLU, Bradley, UNI, etc.
-How many at-large berths has GU received?

 

[ZagNative]

Every guest on another team's mbb forum needs to know when he/she might be wearing out his/her welcome. I've got a feeling this ZagFan has imposed on your good natures enough and should let you see the back side of me leaving your property.

Got to go back to guboards and see if they're talking about any damned thing but the NBA draft yet. Put away the tar, ZN has left the building!

 

[06Panther]

-I will give programs like Butler, GU, Creighton props for playing a few good non-conference games. If ISU/Iowa could coast in the conference season, I could see them doing that as well. Although Cal, Iowa, ND, Northwestern are not bad when you already play in the Big 12. Plus some quality in Houston, maybe SLU, Bradley, UNI, etc.
-How many at-large berths has GU received?

First off, Creighton? Since when have they scheduled tough? Last I checked, you don't get alot of publicity for beating Nebraska.

And as far as Gonzaga's at large berths, they usually win their conference tourny but I would assume that they would have gotten at larges if they didn't the majority of those seasons.

 

[Cydkar]

Could this thread get back on topic? I was looking for info. on Doug.

 

[coachdags]

I am not sure where Doug will end up, but did any of your see where the NCAA has told Greg he can't attend Doug's AAU games during the quiet periods because it will be a recruiting opportunity (not so much Doug as other AAU players).

Total crap by the NCAA, do you think if Roy Williams had a son good enough to play AAU ball the NCAA would tell Roy no AAU games?

This is not True......:skeptical:

 

[CB21]

Ok I know absolutely nothing about Doug. Please tell me why we would want him playing for the Cyclones? Would he actually play? Couldn't we use a scholly on someone better? Would it benefit him more to go to UNI? Like I said I really dont know.

 

[Clones85']

And as far as Gonzaga's at large berths, they usually win their conference tourny but I would assume that they would have gotten at larges if they didn't the majority of those seasons.

They still would have gotten a bid every year

 

[kg-cyclone]

Ok I know absolutely nothing about Doug. Please tell me why we would want him playing for the Cyclones? Would he actually play? Couldn't we use a scholly on someone better? Would it benefit him more to go to UNI? Like I said I really dont know.

If he grows 2 inches or walks on...

If one or both of these things happen...I would take him in a heart beat.



I know PT is important to Doug, so I'm sure that will have an impact too.

 

[CB21]

If he grows 2 inches or walks on...

If one or both of these things happen...I would take him in a heart beat.



I know PT is important to Doug, so I'm sure that will have an impact too.

Hmm alright, thanks. I dont know its just when you think of things like this you think he's just coming to state because of his dad. Just want to make sure that its because he at least has some talent. Because he just like popped out of no where not all that long ago and becomes this 3 star so I was kind of skeptical ya know.

 

[kg-cyclone]

Hmm alright, thanks. I dont know its just when you think of things like this you think he's just coming to state because of his dad. Just want to make sure that its because he at least has some talent. Because he just like popped out of no where not all that long ago and becomes this 3 star so I was kind of skeptical ya know.

He's very crafty around the rim, can score with either hand, and is a good shooter out to 3 point line.

Question marks:
Height - currently a tweener at the D1 level.
Strength - He's going to mature, but it will be late.
Defensive presence
Lateral quickness