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randomfan44

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Babb was abused by their little point guard. THT played over Haliburton for the last five minutes. Those are the two things that really bothered me. I hope it bothers Babb and Prohm too.

We played well enough to win most nights against that Baylor team. They played out of their minds and it was just good enough to beat a team that wasn't at its best.

Slow clap, Rapelor. You did it.
Baylor didnt play out of their mind. They shot 43% (to ISUs 50%) and 35% from 3 (to ISUs 39%). They just beat ISU where ISU is vulnerable, in the paint and on the glass.

Baylor just flat out outworked ISU and pounded them down low, either scoring on putbacks or drawing fouls.

In my opinion, what you saw last night is a little more what ISU really is. I think you just have a team that plays dramatically better than what they are when they play at home against big teams.

The great part about Hilton Magic is that it helps win you lots of home games. The bad part is it might lead some fans to think think that version of the team is the identity of the team when it's really the best case scenario of the team.
 
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You also are emo and do not accept fact or reason

So present a counter argument. We lose Shayok, Talley, and Weiler-Babb for sure. I hope we get Wigginton back, but he tested the NBA last year which showed that he wanted to leave last year. Among the reasons he came back was his inexperience and the fact that he was coming from a losing team. He will have more experience this year, and we are winning more games. Together, that gives me a 60% chance he leaves. As for Horton-Tucker, people are making a lot about his abilities and youth. When the season is over, a lot of people will be talking him up. Even if he wants to come back, I see a lot of people putting dollar signs in his ears. 60% chance he leaves. That's a lot of players to lose.

As for the recruiting class, it is ranked 44th. Texas's recruiting class is in the top 15. Almost all of our hopes in this class are pinned on Marcedus Leech, who was a top-50 player until he sustained a really bad injury. We are obviously hoping he gets back to his pre-injury form. Even if he does, one player (even a top-50 player) can't replace losing 5 players.

But, then, I am a stupid idiot moron, so none of this matters.
 

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So present a counter argument. We lose Shayok, Talley, and Weiler-Babb for sure. I hope we get Wigginton back, but he tested the NBA last year which showed that he wanted to leave last year. Among the reasons he came back was his inexperience and the fact that he was coming from a losing team. He will have more experience this year, and we are winning more games. Together, that gives me a 60% chance he leaves. As for Horton-Tucker, people are making a lot about his abilities and youth. When the season is over, a lot of people will be talking him up. Even if he wants to come back, I see a lot of people putting dollar signs in his ears. 60% chance he leaves. That's a lot of players to lose.

As for the recruiting class, it is ranked 44th. Texas's recruiting class is in the top 15. Almost all of our hopes in this class are pinned on Marcedus Leech, who was a top-50 player until he sustained a really bad injury. We are obviously hoping he gets back to his pre-injury form. Even if he does, one player (even a top-50 player) can't replace losing 5 players.

But, then, I am a stupid idiot moron, so none of this matters.

Why don't you just focus on this season's meltdowns?
 
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And those freshmen aren’t having ups/downs. One is always up, the other the same game to game.

This isn’t the 1980’s. We have one of the most experienced teams in the conference, if not the country. Our ups/downs or lack of toughness isn’t due to youth or inexperience.
THT is not up & down? Freshmen hit walls, I fully expect Haliburton to hit one too. There is nothing wrong with this, it's a tough transition between HS and college.
 

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Based on what?

Jacobson was solid against Big 10 frontcourts. Better than Lard and similar to Young. Jacobson played well against Lawson, and Lawson is one of the best in the conference.

With how the game is called, there are few guys in college basketball that are going to be able to shutdown or not need a double on a guy like Clark. Like in the past, Clark’s success was also due to guard play- allowing easy post entries, weak doubles, and guard penetration resulting in bad rebounding position.

This. Jacobson was really good denying against Clark and keeping him from getting good post position, he "struggled" when Clark got the ball. That's not all on MJ. Considering Clark is really good and has a size/strength advantage, I think he played him well, as did Solo. We didn't lose because of how Clark played.
 

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So present a counter argument. We lose Shayok, Talley, and Weiler-Babb for sure. I hope we get Wigginton back, but he tested the NBA last year which showed that he wanted to leave last year. Among the reasons he came back was his inexperience and the fact that he was coming from a losing team. He will have more experience this year, and we are winning more games. Together, that gives me a 60% chance he leaves. As for Horton-Tucker, people are making a lot about his abilities and youth. When the season is over, a lot of people will be talking him up. Even if he wants to come back, I see a lot of people putting dollar signs in his ears. 60% chance he leaves. That's a lot of players to lose.

As for the recruiting class, it is ranked 44th. Texas's recruiting class is in the top 15. Almost all of our hopes in this class are pinned on Marcedus Leech, who was a top-50 player until he sustained a really bad injury. We are obviously hoping he gets back to his pre-injury form. Even if he does, one player (even a top-50 player) can't replace losing 5 players.

But, then, I am a stupid idiot moron, so none of this matters.
Isn’t entertaining to read the responses from those that need ear muffs or that meltdown over anything short of sunshine pumping?

It’s logical to see this as a local peak year, and rational to factor that into how you interpret this year’s performance. I’m optimistic we only lose NWB, Shayok, and Wigginton in terms of significant contributors, and can add a rotation guy this spring. That’s a lot better roster than 2017-18.
 

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THT is not up & down? Freshmen hit walls, I fully expect Haliburton to hit one too. There is nothing wrong with this, it's a tough transition between HS and college.
Just down, frankly. He’s not the cause of variability in team play. Last night was one of his better games, in fact. Since you used the 40% of the starting lineup you’re talking about the season thus far, so any future wall for Haliburton is irrelevant.

What teams in the conference have more returning experience in combination with a freshman as consistent as Haliburton? It’s a false narrative to blame things on being young. We’re not young or inexperienced.
 

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This season is shaping up like the 2014-2015 season where yes Kansas won the league at 13-5, and others finished 12-6, KU's perfect home record was the difference

Maybe because you are saying KU will not lose 6 games in the league, since they never have under the 10 team big 12.

But the fact is it was not that far off from happening a few years ago, and one could argue the league this year has an even smaller discrepancy of talent between top and bottom.

13-5 probably does but 12-6 is not as far fetched as you make it out.

Don't think anybody is going 14-4, or 15-3, will see how things play out.
Let me put it this way then. In the 22 season history of the Big 12, there has never been a men's basketball conference champion who lost 6 conference games.

Never.
 

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Let me put it this way then. In the 22 season history of the Big 12, there has never been a men's basketball conference champion who lost 6 conference games.

Never.
Given the change to round-robin with no bad teams and the 18 game schedule, most of your sample isn’t terribly relevant.

It’s never happened, but the odds aren’t exactly zero.
 

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Just re watching the game but this was lost in the first 10 minutes. Baylor was really struggling, 2 of 9 from 3 and still only down 13-12. We have to step on them more than that to start.
 
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In my opinion, what you saw last night is a little more what ISU really is. I think you just have a team that plays dramatically better than what they are when they play at home against big teams.

The great part about Hilton Magic is that it helps win you lots of home games. The bad part is it might lead some fans to think think that version of the team is the identity of the team when it's really the best case scenario of the team.

We're still a work in progress getting everybody acclimated. It wasn't just Iowa State fans buying into what we did last Saturday. Several in the media bought in.
 

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Given the change to round-robin with no bad teams and the 18 game schedule, most of your sample isn’t terribly relevant.
In the however many seasons that it has been a double round robin, no big 12 champ has ever lost 6 games. Better?
 

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Either that or allowing them to score 26 points to end the half. They had 12 points at 7:30 left in the half. 14 points at the media timeout with 6:30 to play. Those 6 minutes lost the game.