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[The_Architect]

It is not impossible to think Iowa State can or should overcome Iowa as the primary Athletic and Academic institution in state...ISU already graduates more Iowans, being aligned with the second best football conference in the new era of Only Money Matters, everyone else can play on their own Cable Stations that no one will even know where to find is sea change for the prospects of Iowa State. Sure the Big 10 will always be in the conversation, but in name only. The elite athletic talent in this country resides in the South. Geographically, Iowa State is at a a big disadvantage to their southern counterparts - BUT NOT TO THE BIG 10. If the Big 12 is successful being the SEC's equal (or closest competition) in the coming decade, Iowa State being in the Big 12 will increase its profile, it will be on TV on Major Networks, it will compete for the best in state talent and most importantly attract kids that in the past may have been content to stay in the South in a lessor conference or go to what is currently a "higher profile" Northern School. No More. We may never be the elite in our conference year over year, but I have a good feeling we will be every bit of Iowa's equal and in time the IOWA State school. There is very little difference in the talent in the two programs now, with more money and more time, well - let it be so.

Holy. ****.

 

[The_Architect]

This thread became about Iowa far sooner than it should have. Not surprised...disappointed.

That's because CyBer is doing the majority of the posting. Probably top 3 posters on this site with the strongest inferiority complex. SMH.

 

[Clark]

Holy. ****.

As you can imagine, that post got it's own thread over at HN. I don't think I have to tell you the reaction it got.

 

[cyclonepower]

why does it matter???? those type of post scream little brother...

 

[mike4cy]

Holy paragraph, Batman.

 

[CyBer]

That's because CyBer is doing the majority of the posting. Probably top 3 posters on this site with the strongest inferiority complex. SMH.

Whatever you say :SLEEP:

 

[SplitIdentity]

I think the SEC is indeed apart from the other conferences simply because of what is acceptable down there. They over-sign, cheat in the classroom and pay players on a greater scale than the others and that's "SEC football". And if you're looking for proof I have two words; Gene Chizik.

I 100% agree with this. And I see it all changing one of two ways (obviously). One, NCAA finally steps in AMD talks care of over signing and stiffens standards that all universities must follow. OR (and more likely) there is a large group of schools that back off, form their own association more similar to a professional organization, and everything still become more uniform.

Either way, i really don't think the bigten, big12, or pac12 will just watch as the SEC continues to take advantage of the system and create an unfair dynasty.

 

[CyDude16]

Our 3rd tier deal may be worth more than $4 M when it's all said and done. Also, the recent Big XII renegotiation with ESPN has automatic escalators which kick in with the addition of certain teams, FSU and Clemson being two of them. So, in short we will be ahead of Iowa, and the rest of the Big Ten very soon.

Our 3rd tier deal will not be more then $4 million. Those "escalators" are what would bump us up to 2 to 4 million dollars more a year making it from 22 to 24 million. Which would still be below Iowa's 24.6 million, and then add into the fact the Big Ten will renegotiate their contact when it expires. It's a pipe dream if you believe what you think.

 

[Boxerdaddy]

 

[Tre4ISU]

As you can imagine, that post got it's own thread over at HN. I don't think I have to tell you the reaction it got.

You guys don't like it when we have confidence huh? This isn't Michigan/MSU where one team has not only had much more success in the rivalry, but also national success. ISU overcoming Iowa is not unfathomable. I doubt I will ever see it but don't act as if what you guys have or will accomplish in short time is of elite status. You guys really aren't that great. Compared to ISU? Yes, it has been much better.

 

[rebecacy]

For gawd's sake folks, when I was at ISU as an undergrad iowa was the laughing stock of the country,...... held the record for number of consecutive losing seasons. And ISU had two of the country's best coaches and teams. We were IT in the state of iowa. Of course it will happen again.

 

[cyhiphopp]

You guys don't like it when we have confidence huh? This isn't Michigan/MSU where one team has not only had much more success in the rivalry, but also national success. ISU overcoming Iowa is not unfathomable. I doubt I will ever see it but don't act as if what you guys have or will accomplish in short time is of elite status. You guys really aren't that great. Compared to ISU? Yes, it has been much better.

The thing is, Iowa could fall off through no action of ISU. Better schools have dropped off the map before in a short period of time.

When Kirk retires or leaves there will be a big question as to if Iowa as a program is bigger than KF. They might be, or they might fall into the lower tier of the B1G. Illinois went to the Rose Bowl a few years ago and they just fired their coach. Michigan was Michigan until the Rich Rod experiment. They are slowly climbing back but it was no certainty that they would. Texas A&M used to be a marquee program. Now they are running away from UT and their AD is hurting for money.

Iowa might end up like Boise State. Everyone thought they'd fall off when Hawkins left. Turns out they were wrong and Boise is better than they were.

We shall see.

 

[Clark]

You guys don't like it when we have confidence huh? This isn't Michigan/MSU where one team has not only had much more success in the rivalry, but also national success. ISU overcoming Iowa is not unfathomable. I doubt I will ever see it but don't act as if what you guys have or will accomplish in short time is of elite status. You guys really aren't that great. Compared to ISU? Yes, it has been much better.

I suppose you could call it confidence. I would call it faith. It was an odd thing to post in a thread about Big 12 expansion.


The part I found most strange about that guys post was where he was talking about being at a disadvantage against the Big 12 but not the Big 10. Maybe I missed something but doesn't ISU play 9 games against Big 12 teams and 1 game against a Big 10 team? I'm not sure how that helps ISU. I think we can all agree that what ISU becomes in the future will be determined by how successful they are in the Big 12.

 

[justcynn]

The premise is simple, the best football talent is in the south. If the sec and big 12 appear to be working together to separate themselves from the rest, If successful Iowa state gains on Iowa. Not really that hard to comprehend.

 

[CyBer]

The premise is simple, the best football talent is in the south. If the sec and big 12 appear to be working together to separate themselves from the rest, If successful Iowa state gains on Iowa. Not really that hard to comprehend.

Cydude16 does not understand this concept, and clearly refuses to apologize to the baby.

 

[AllIowaTeams]

For gawd's sake folks, when I was at ISU as an undergrad iowa was the laughing stock of the country,...... held the record for number of consecutive losing seasons. And ISU had two of the country's best coaches and teams. We were IT in the state of iowa. Of course it will happen again.

I take it you were an undergrad in the 1960's?

 

[terryk]

For gawd's sake folks, when I was at ISU as an undergrad iowa was the laughing stock of the country,...... held the record for number of consecutive losing seasons. And ISU had two of the country's best coaches and teams. We were IT in the state of iowa. Of course it will happen again.

actually as they like to point out they had 19 NON winning seasons. According to them there is a big difference. Stupid hoks

 

[CyBer]

I take it you were an undergrad in the 1960's?

I was going to guess late 1800's but you might be right.

 

[Clark]

The premise is simple, the best football talent is in the south. If the sec and big 12 appear to be working together to separate themselves from the rest, If successful Iowa state gains on Iowa. Not really that hard to comprehend.

Did Iowa State move to the South? Isn't ISU the northern most member of the Big 12? So Iowa is competing against other northern schools who you believe will be losing more and more talent to the South. ISU is competing against southern schools who you believe will be gaining more and more talent. How is this an advantage for ISU again?

 

[CarolinaCy]

The part I found most strange about that guys post was where he was talking about being at a disadvantage against the Big 12 but not the Big 10. Maybe I missed something but doesn't ISU play 9 games against Big 12 teams and 1 game against a Big 10 team? I'm not sure how that helps ISU. I think we can all agree that what ISU becomes in the future will be determined by how successful they are in the Big 12.

You are absolutely correct that a 9 game conference schedule hurts ISU, as long as everyone else is playing an 8 game schedule. If everyone goes to 9 games, as many are speculating, then that evens the playing field.

On the bolded part, I couldn't agree more as well. Iowa didn't get to be more popular in the state of Iowa through the 80s and 90s by beating ISU 15 times in a row (though that didn't hurt). They accomplished that by being successful in a nationally recognized conference. On the flipside, ISU completely sucking in a nationally recognized conference doomed us much more than our lack of success against Iowa.