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CYphyllis

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MIT. Raises up that always important academic profile and as an added bonus I think ISU football might actually be capable of beating those nerds on occasion.
 

ripvdub

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sample tv ratings from this year:

Sept 6th
0.4686K10:15 PMColorado St./Boise St.ESPN2
0.4605K3:30 PMBall State/IowaESPN2
0.4596K12:00 PMKansas St./Iowa St.FS1


Thurs October 2nd
0.5744K7:00 PMUCF/HoustonESPN


Friday Oct 3rd
0.81.17M10:15 PMUtah St./BYUESPN

Sat Oct 10th
0.1109K12:00 PMTulane/UCFESPNU

Friday Oct 24th
0.61.02M9:00 PMBYU/Boise St.ESPN







A lot of those are stand alone prime time games, no competition.
 

cycophagus

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If we're talking about expanding west, let's really commit to it. University of Hawaii and University of Guam are at the top of my list.
Me like-a how you think-a. And we'd call it the Ocean West Conference, complete with outsourced cheerleaders:
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CycloneErik

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And nobody is going to want special treatment and require a long list of demands be met for the "privilege" of allowing the Big 12 to invite a school to the conference like BYU.

Sorry - I do not like the idea of inviting a school in that thinks it's doing us a favor by joining.

That's every school at this point, and we already have schools who feel they're doing us a favor by keeping the league afloat. I don't see an issue there.
I also don't think that their desire not to compete on Sundays affects very much at all. That's a red herring when people throw that around.
 

Die4Cy

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That would be considered a conference championship game, which requires the B12 to get a waiver from the NCAA. The waiver will never happen because the other four conferences know it works in their for the B12 to not have a conference championship game.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ys-conference-reconsider-how-declare-champion

The Big 12 would need to add two teams or have the NCAA approve a waiver to have a conference championship game. The Big 12 has 10 teams, and a conference must have 12 teams to have a conference championship game.

This is probably a reach, but what does the rule actually say?

I believe the reading of the rule could be interpreted that conferences with divisions need a championship game to determine a winner, not that conferences must organize in such a way in order to have the championship game. A fine point, to be sure, and the Big 12 would have to push it having already been shot down once, which can be a dicey proposition given how the NCAA operates, obviously.

Conferences with DIVISIONS must have a CCG to determine a champion. That's obvious. But the NCAA does not determine how conferences without divisions organize themselves or determine their champion, as we saw this week. We need to blow up the NCAA anyway, might as well have the game and give the NCAA the finger.
 

isucy86

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IMO the perfect storm occurred yesterday with no upsets in the 4 conference championship games AND Ohio State blowing out out Wisky by 50 plus. If OSU wins that game by 17 points, I think Baylor is in the playoff.

Seems to me there is flaw to the process where TCU can be a 3 seed one week, win by 50+ points and drop to a 6 seed.
 

Clonehomer

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I don't mind the idea of Memphis. Their football program may need time, but with the power 5 resources I think they can become a good team. Their basketball program speaks for itself.

As far as money, the CCG should cover a good chunk of the expenses of adding the teams. If you can grab a big name with them, then I can see a potential that this could be revenue neutral per school.
 

HFCS

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IMO the perfect storm occurred yesterday with no upsets in the 4 conference championship games AND Ohio State blowing out out Wisky by 50 plus. If OSU wins that game by 17 points, I think Baylor is in the playoff.

Seems to me there is flaw to the process where TCU can be a 3 seed one week, win by 50+ points and drop to a 6 seed.

It's the same flaw we see week after week after week in all college sports coverage. Certain teams and conferences are favored because of money even if they're not as good.
 

deadeyededric

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I see no benefit in Colorado St. Small fanbase in a state that doesn't have a ton of people. Outside of BYU, I see no reason to go West when the money, tv sets, and best high school players are in the South and East.
 

State43

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Do people really think this round robin schedule is good for ISU? If so, love to see some proof. I would kill to only play half the south every year again.
 

CyForPresident

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I don't mind the idea of Memphis. Their football program may need time, but with the power 5 resources I think they can become a good team. Their basketball program speaks for itself.

As far as money, the CCG should cover a good chunk of the expenses of adding the teams. If you can grab a big name with them, then I can see a potential that this could be revenue neutral per school.

Yea, I've come around to Cincy and Memphis. They make sense geographically and have really good potential. Cincy has been winning at football on lower levels for like a decade and even though Nepert would be the smallest stadium in the league, it's undergoing renovations now. Small and packed is better than large and empty anyway. Memphis has the Liberty Bowl, which is 61,000, but being in the South they would have great resources to be successful. Both are great basketball schools.

The only problem is the money though. A Big 12 championship game would be worth around $15 million (what the current PAC 12 game is worth). That will help cover the addition of one school, but where does the money come from for the other? FedEx might be the answer. If FedEx became the official sponsor of the conference for $25 million a year, this thing could actually happen.
 

cycophagus

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It's the same flaw we see week after week after week in all college sports coverage. Certain teams and conferences are favored because of money even if they're not as good.
This is especially true with the ever privileged B1G, clearly the weakest football conference among the Big 5. TCU dominated Minnesota, while tOSU just managed to escape Minnesota with a win. The Big 12 went 3-0 versus the B1G. No doubt about it, the CFP committee is nothing more than a modern day smoke filled room.
 

deadeyededric

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