FB Recruiting Avg Rating Comparison

[isulive2train]

What's the record for number of posts by one person in a thread. We could be chasing history here people.

History won't accept this thread.

 

[AWOL2000]

History won't accept this thread.

Fair point

 

[Cydkar]

I'm not excited because this class is some juggernaut or something. I'm excited that it's even an average class (for ISU) considering the circumstances. CPR wasn't going to bring in anything better and he was here for over a half a decade.

 

[ExCyment]

I want to announce I have hired an agency to find shoptalk's replacement.

 

[Stormin]

I want to announce I have hired an agency to find shoptalk's replacement.

Chip Kelly??

 

[cyrocksmypants]

Chip Kelly??

You're not understanding what Shop is saying. It doesn't matter who the coach is. We'll always be losers. Even Saban can't be successful here. The best thing for us to do is shut down the program.

 

[Beyerball]

You can't troll with facts man. BeyerBall, hate on 247sports all you want - in fact, I recommend you keep your tinfoil hat on at all times. It could get rough for you without it. Oh, and new glasses. You can't read.

I ranked on average player rating people....come on now, keep up!

That said, it is the most exciting signing class since they fired Mac/Chizik/Rhoads, isn't it????

2013 and 2014 increased rating mystery = Lazard and Campos, M'kay? And that's Allen Lazard, not Anthony Lazard.

Dude grow up. You d realize that these player ratings, while a part, is not an exact science and 100% subjective. For example you may have (2) kids who analysts have as 3 star recruits and both are attending a rivals regional camp only (1) of them showed up for whatever reason to be evaluated and possibly negatively affecting the other ones rating...this is one example of the subjectivity of the dozens. I'm not saying it's totally inaccurate but you can't pull one factor and make a sweeping analysis. It would be like if this Isu class ends up being ranked in the top 35 at end of class(which could happen btw) but a part of that ranking is the fact we will be signing maybe 25 kids boosting the ranking over oh say A school like Texas...when we look deeper Texas may have only signed 12 kids.

Who knows more about the potential and quality of these kids most? Coaches..it's prob a better judge of the class to look at who else was recruiting them and who else offered them.

 

[00clone]

Watch me whip...

 

[IGoState]

your series of posts have to top next nearest narcissistic behaviors I've seen in 15 years of following Iowa State athletics on social media by leagues and leagues.

Congrats you win!!!

 

[SLD]

People get so worked up over someone's opinion. So the OP isn't high on Canpbell. So what... It's a message board.

 

[isulive2train]

You're not understanding what Shop is saying. It doesn't matter who the coach is. We'll always be losers. Even Saban can't be successful here. The best thing for us to do is shut down the program.

 

[Shawker]

You're not understanding what Shop is saying. It doesn't matter who the coach is. We'll always be losers. Even Saban can't be successful here. The best thing for us to do is shut down the program.

(Sorry couldn't resist)

 

[SpokaneCY]

To me, the best recruiting ranking measurement is the average player rating. So spare me the hype, let's look at the best available metrics.

Here is ISU's avg player ranking in the B12 using 247sports ratings:

Year	Avg. Rating	Big 12 Class Rank
2016	81.91	10 of 10
2015	82.17	9 of 10
2014	82.49	5 of 10
2013	82.20	7 of 10
2012	81.70	8 of 10
2011	81.19	10 of 12
2010	80.99	10 of 12
2009	80.57	11 of 12 KSU last
2008	79.89	11 of 12 - TCU last
2007	80.01	11 of 12 - TCU last
2006	79.99	10 of 12
2005	80.63	8 of 12
2004	78.99	8 of 12
2003	79.39	Tie for last with BU
2002	81.75	9 of 12

Note: Big 12 composite shows TCU and WVU all the way back, even though they weren't in the league then. Drops CU and NU. Shows that TCU out-recruited ISU even in the MWC. Location, location, location.

What's it mean? Recruiting really doesn't change much, regardless of coaches, new stadium or new facilities at ISU. It means like all the prognosticators do, you can predict the season within 1-2 game variance for final outcomes. The only wild card is guys who don't pan out or exceed expectations need to be accounted for.

So next year, when the preseason mags come out and predict 2-4 wins for ISU, set your realistic expectations there. They'll be right on or close. They are almost every year. Expect maybe a 1-2 game upside due to B12 coaches not knowing what the new guys schemes are.

You completely leave out what the new leadership will mean. This is a coaching TEAM that has worked together for years and it sure sounds like they are all on the same page and actually have a PLAN that has worked. The previous coaching staff has had so much friction up to and including the fattest OC dropping deuces in towels and expecting staff to clean up after him.

Someone mentioned Iowa and they are an excellent case in consistent schemes, consistent coaching and steady leadership.

Plus this years class is only a little over half filled. But I'll throw you a bone and say it will all probably suck again if that makes you feel better.

 

[VeloClone]

I will never understand threads like this. I am not saying everyone has to see the world through Cardinal and Gold glasses, but what point is the OP trying to make here? So the OP doesn't like Pollard, the south end zone bowled in, the new football coach hire and little kids in general, but good grief. Just because the OP ain't happy why feel the need to pee in other people's Cheerios? Not a single game has been played under the new football coach and already the OP thinks the hire is a complete and utter failure.

I have no clue if this as a good hire or not -- nobody does. But I would rather give the new coach the benefit of the doubt and be a little optimistic about the future instead of doing the old "gloom despair and agony on me" bit.

Is it really peeing in someone's Cheerios or pointing out that while the last staff wasn't all world they weren't Satan incarnate either as many have seemed to point out in every other thread? Can't we be happy about the current staff without vilifying the previous one?

 

[Beyerball]

Also...like I said it's not an exact science and is too subjective like others have said to just take into account avg player ratings. Way too many misses in how these guys sitting in chairs watching highlight films evaluate..

These players were below the .800 rating or right at it..

Jake Knott
Jeremy Reeves
Josh Lenz
Jeff Woody
David Johnson(UNI) thought I'd throw him in there
Deon Broomfield
Jansen Watson
Farniok
David Irving
Oni Omoelle
Stephen Rump(was a .745 btw, pretty bad)
KO..Kelechi
Collin Franklin...was a .722
ARob
Reggie Stephens
Lamarcus Hicks
Tim Dobbins

Btw...almost all of these players spent time in the NFL and some are still there. What's funny is several of Danny Mac classes were ranked in the 40's overall yet the avg. player rating was below the .800 mark.

 

[IAStubborn]

To me, the best recruiting ranking measurement is the average player rating. So spare me the hype, let's look at the best available metrics.

Here is ISU's avg player ranking in the B12 using 247sports ratings:

Year	Avg. Rating	Big 12 Class Rank
2016	81.91	10 of 10
2015	82.17	9 of 10
2014	82.49	5 of 10
2013	82.20	7 of 10
2012	81.70	8 of 10
2011	81.19	10 of 12
2010	80.99	10 of 12
2009	80.57	11 of 12 KSU last
2008	79.89	11 of 12 - TCU last
2007	80.01	11 of 12 - TCU last
2006	79.99	10 of 12
2005	80.63	8 of 12
2004	78.99	8 of 12
2003	79.39	Tie for last with BU
2002	81.75	9 of 12

Note: Big 12 composite shows TCU and WVU all the way back, even though they weren't in the league then. Drops CU and NU. Shows that TCU out-recruited ISU even in the MWC. Location, location, location.

What's it mean? Recruiting really doesn't change much, regardless of coaches, new stadium or new facilities at ISU. It means like all the prognosticators do, you can predict the season within 1-2 game variance for final outcomes. The only wild card is guys who don't pan out or exceed expectations need to be accounted for.

So next year, when the preseason mags come out and predict 2-4 wins for ISU, set your realistic expectations there. They'll be right on or close. They are almost every year. Expect maybe a 1-2 game upside due to B12 coaches not knowing what the new guys schemes are.

Why is average rating better than this? This is a much more logical way of actually rating a class because not every player has the same impact. Your formula gives as much weight to the 25th best recruit in a class to the best recruit in a class despite the fact that the 25th best recruit has little chance of playing regardless of the team he signs for.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

Is it really peeing in someone's Cheerios or pointing out that while the last staff wasn't all world they weren't Satan incarnate either as many have seemed to point out in every other thread? Can't we be happy about the current staff without vilifying the previous one?

That's not how this works at PolarExtremeFanatic, Velo! ****!!!!!! Burn it ******* down!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!1!!!!!!!

 

[inCyteful]

That is the first sensible thing...wait I know what you're doing....Catfishing won't work on me like the ND LB's.

That said, you're actually correct. Recruiting never sleeps, nor does scheming.

Darn it

Thought I had ya fooled.

 

[tolfbfan]

Toledo's class average player rating by year compared to B12 avg player ratings:

Year	Avg Player Rating	Big 12 Rank	Lowest B12 Team
2015	79.76	Last	KU - 81.04
2014	78.10	Last	KU - 80.51
2013	80.47 Kareem Hunt!	8 of 10	KU - 79.50, WVU 80
2012	77.79 1st in MAC	9 of 10	KU - 76.19
2011	78.11 1st in MAC	Last	BU - 80.43

That can't be correct. How could these low life 2 and 3 star players beat two Big 5 schools and get ranked. WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TOO????? HOW COULD THAT HAPPEN?????

ANSWER: "THE PROCESS"

 

[dualthreat]

Our current recruiting class is just 10 spots behind the Texas Longhorns