FB Recruiting Avg Rating Comparison

CyInDFW

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I'm not. ISU football is. But, I'm guessing you're feeling a bit queasy looking at that data right now.....[/QU

No one here is delusional enough to believe ISU will compete for a conference title anytime soon, if ever, but a lot of us do like to think we have a shot at a bowl game...at the end of the day I'd still rather be a Cyclone than a hawk
 
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SpokaneCY

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Apr 11, 2006
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That can't be correct. How could these low life 2 and 3 star players beat two Big 5 schools and get ranked. WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TOO????? HOW COULD THAT HAPPEN?????

ANSWER: "THE PROCESS"

People gloss over that aspect far too easily. CPR had far too many mid-course corrections to count while CMC trusts in his approach, trusts his coaching staff and trusts his process and has proven results.
 

CyBobby

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Oct 18, 2006
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What does it mean? Well we are not done yet. We are going after a couple of big ones in Sean Foster and Chase Pine. Foster is a 90 rating for example.

And according to 247 Sports our class right now is ranked 8 out of 10. NOT 10 out of 10. In 2014, Iowa State ranked 10 out of 10.....NOT 5 out of 10. In 2013, Iowa State was ranked 9 out of 10.....NOT 7 out of 10. So you have made some glaring mistakes.

Matt Campbell has been on the job for about a month. And what you are more or less saying is that Matt Campbell is at least equalling or bettering our recruiting in that short span. And he has done so in only about 1 month. That is amazing.

In the old days when any school changed coaches you normally "Lost a Year of Recruiting".....That's not true with Matt Campbell..............The recruits he is bringing from Toledo are better than what Paul Rhoads recruited.

I can see CMC and his staff being a whole lot better at recruiting that CPR's staff. Lets hope our new staff is better at developing players than the Rhoads Staff......
 

Beyerball

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One last thing on this from me the tinfoil hat guy...another reason u just can't look at avg player rating is some classes are overloaded with certain positions of need...for example..CMC might bring in 3-4 TEs in this class I've read. Maybe one of those is above .80 bit the others prob won't be...how many strong 3 star or 4 star TEs are there. If we bring in let's say 4 TEs and sign 20 kids well that's 20% of your class that is TEs. Kickers, punters, etc..we will prob sign a kicker this class too. Maybe the kicker is a 4 star and .920 idk.
 

klamath632

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Either ShopTalk is sleeping it off, or they banned his stupid ***. Hopefully the latter.
 

BenEClone

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Mar 21, 2006
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High correlation between recruiting a ND won-loss record, no doubt. Amazing record against Texas considering... I'm interested in the average recruit ranking of those in the current class recruited before and after Campbell.
 

cybychoice

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Jun 27, 2014
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Well I wasted a morning reading this, I have a headache now and will be unproductive until after lunch. So thanks for that.
 
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Dryburn

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Apr 3, 2006
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The truth is, no one knows what the future holds. No one ( besides maybe Lou McCullough) thought Earle Bruce would have any success at ISU either......after all his head coaching experience consisted of 1 good year at the University of Tampa of all places. Yet, once he had a chance to get his recruiting classes and player development in place, he was able to string together 3 consecutive 8 win seasons for ISU before McCullough willingly sent him off to greener pastures.

So far, I like what I see of Campbell's staff and their recruiting. If nothing else, at least they seem to be able to usually land the player they are going after, and seem to have the ability to at least get them to campus and close the deal. To me, that right there is a big improvement.

Now, whether or not these players will pan out......no one (including the slimy recruiting services) knows right, as recruiting is pretty much a crap shoot. Also, at this point, we have no idea how this staff is at developing players. We also don't know how their recruiting, development and in-game coaching skills will translate at the Big 12 level. Any moron can speculate all he or she wants about these things right now and act like they know something, but in reality we all just have to wait and see, like any school would. I'm sure Texas thought Strong was their salvation too, and he may well be, but I'm pretty sure that is not going exactly as planned right now.

From what I have seen so far of this staff and their efforts (and success) I think there is reason for ISU fans to be optimistic.
 

tolfbfan

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Well having you respond to me allowed me to catch a mistake I made in the original post so I think you have been productive today.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I rescind my comment and refuse to accept that I did anything today!:mad:
 

RustShack

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The idiots trying to say this is a bad class realize Campbell has only been here three weeks and isn't done yet right? At Iowa State you usually recruit kids for a couple of years instead of a couple of weeks. It's impressive.
 

cuphues

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Aug 5, 2011
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I live in Texas and not all ISU fans down here are all pissy about the sun coming up every morning. That being said...I'd rather be back up north.

There are many engaged Cyclone fans in Texas with a positive attitude toward our school. That being said.....no offense to our home state, but I moved here over 25 years ago after graduating from ISU and have never looked back. Still have my folks up there in central Iowa, but living in TX and being a Cyclone fan is actually pretty great. We can see multiple games a year in both football and basketball (as well as return to Ames for a few football games per year) right here in our adopted home state.

Further, the weather here, IMO is much preferred versus Iowa (in particular during the winter) and there is a never ending pool of female talent here to admire a daily basis. :yes:
 

tolfbfan

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There are many engaged Cyclone fans in Texas with a positive attitude toward our school. That being said.....no offense to our home state, but I moved here over 25 years ago after graduating from ISU and have never looked back. Still have my folks up there in central Iowa, but living in TX and being a Cyclone fan is actually pretty great. We can see multiple games a year in both football and basketball (as well as return to Ames for a few football games per year) right here in our adopted home state.

Further, the weather here, IMO is much preferred versus Iowa (in particular during the winter) and there is a never ending pool of female talent here to admire a daily basis. :yes:

In Tex***....Oh:twitcy:backend guy. Me too!
 

IAStubborn

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Toledo's class average player rating by year compared to B12 avg player ratings:

Year
Avg Player RatingBig 12 RankLowest B12 Team
2015 79.76
Last KU - 81.04
201478.10
LastKU - 80.51
201380.47 Kareem Hunt!
8 of 10KU - 79.50, WVU 80
201277.79 1st in MAC9 of 10KU - 76.19
201178.11 1st in MACLastBU - 80.43

Yeah and again your entire premise is flawed. There is a reason that no body ranks classes this way. Why?Because it isn't an accurate gauge of future success based on talent. You start 22/85 guys. Most guys signed see little action on any team. If a school like Toledo can sign 5 or 6 good players every class and a few more serviceable ones even if they sign 8 fcs level players, they can still compete with or beat a team that signs 22 serviceable players as they would have more talent on the field. The way 247 does it they would have a higher ranking, but your way the sign 22 serviceable players would. You have started a dumb argument on a premise that is faulty. If you want to look at overall quality fine but recognize it means little unless you plan on playing a JV game and don't expect too much variance. Also expect higher average rankings in smaller classes but don't act like it is a measure of recruiting success that will translate more to wins than the formula the ranking services use. Because it isnt. That is a fact. They have tested it and their ranking method is a better indicator of future success.
Fact is this class will likely be ranked in the low 50's and 7/10 when all is said and done or better than any Rhoads class.
 
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tolfbfan

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Yeah and again your entire premise is flawed. There is a reason that no body ranks classes this way. Why?Because it isn't an accurate gauge of future success based on talent. You start 22/85 guys. Most guys signed see little action on any team. If a school like Toledo can sign 5 or 6 good players every class and a few more serviceable ones even if they sign 8 fcs level players, they can still compete with or beat a team that signs 22 serviceable players as they would have more talent on the field. The way 247 does it they would have a higher ranking, but your way the sign 22 serviceable players would. You have started a dumb argument on a premise that is faulty. If you want to look at overall quality fine but recognize it means little unless you plan on playing a JV game and don't expect too much variance. Also expect higher average rankings in smaller classes but don't act like it is a measure of recruiting success that will translate more to wins than the formula the ranking services use. Because it isnt. That is a fact. They have tested it and their ranking method is a better indicator of future success.
Fact is this class will likely be ranked in the low 50's and 7/10 when all is said and done or better than any Rhoads class.

DING,DING,DING we have a WINNER! CASE CLOSED:smile:
 

Stormin

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The truth is, no one knows what the future holds. No one ( besides maybe Lou McCullough) thought Earle Bruce would have any success at ISU either......after all his head coaching experience consisted of 1 good year at the University of Tampa of all places. Yet, once he had a chance to get his recruiting classes and player development in place, he was able to string together 3 consecutive 8 win seasons for ISU before McCullough willingly sent him off to greener pastures.

So far, I like what I see of Campbell's staff and their recruiting. If nothing else, at least they seem to be able to usually land the player they are going after, and seem to have the ability to at least get them to campus and close the deal. To me, that right there is a big improvement.

Now, whether or not these players will pan out......no one (including the slimy recruiting services) knows right, as recruiting is pretty much a crap shoot. Also, at this point, we have no idea how this staff is at developing players. We also don't know how their recruiting, development and in-game coaching skills will translate at the Big 12 level. Any moron can speculate all he or she wants about these things right now and act like they know something, but in reality we all just have to wait and see, like any school would. I'm sure Texas thought Strong was their salvation too, and he may well be, but I'm pretty sure that is not going exactly as planned right now.

From what I have seen so far of this staff and their efforts (and success) I think there is reason for ISU fans to be optimistic.

Interesting that you bring up Earle Bruce. Earle's main recruiting areas besides Iowa, were the Chicago area and Ohio. We had a ton of recruits from Ohio back then. We also hit Florida and got some really good recruits from there.
 

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