For thosewho watched the game...what happened on that last drive???!!!
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It was disappointing and JB just got picked off on a wheel route. Swoops played a lot better than advertised and throw a perfect pass on the long play and the one that got them to the 7 yard line. Swoops also barely got the pass off, so it was really close to being a disaster play for Texas.
It was a stupid defensive gameplan by Wally on Texas' final drive. And here's why....
The main reason I hate prevent defense is when you play it with about 2 or 3 minutes left in the game it allows the other team to just dink and dunk it on you for 10 yd gains every play down the field until they score.
But 22 secs, no matter how many timeouts Texas had, is not enough time to dink and dunk it down the field. Texas needed big plays and needed them quick.
And to those who would like to argue that we played the blitzing man to man all night long.... do you really want to go there? We gave up 48 pts to a horrible Texas offense by doing just that.... AND... it gave Texas NUMEROUS big pass plays all night long as well. So the blitzing man to man was NOT working all night, so what is the reason to stick with it when the prevent defense is exactly what was called for?
I would have taken my chances with Swoopes throwing into double coverages down the stretch versus him lobbing it up for his physical tall receivers being covered one on one by our short DBs.
Yes, our blitzes got to Swoopes once in a while, but on the other side, it also gave up big plays too. And on that last drive, big plays were the LAST thing we wanted to happen.
Wally should know better, but he's been at ISU long enough to know that we're not supposed to win football games like this I guess?
The main reason I hate prevent defense is when you play it with about 2 or 3 minutes left in the game it allows the other team to just dink and dunk it on you for 10 yd gains every play down the field until they score.
But 22 secs, no matter how many timeouts Texas had, is not enough time to dink and dunk it down the field. Texas needed big plays and needed them quick.
And to those who would like to argue that we played the blitzing man to man all night long.... do you really want to go there? We gave up 48 pts to a horrible Texas offense by doing just that.... AND... it gave Texas NUMEROUS big pass plays all night long as well. So the blitzing man to man was NOT working all night, so what is the reason to stick with it when the prevent defense is exactly what was called for?
I would have taken my chances with Swoopes throwing into double coverages down the stretch versus him lobbing it up for his physical tall receivers being covered one on one by our short DBs.
Yes, our blitzes got to Swoopes once in a while, but on the other side, it also gave up big plays too. And on that last drive, big plays were the LAST thing we wanted to happen.
Wally should know better, but he's been at ISU long enough to know that we're not supposed to win football games like this I guess?
So there seems to be 2 schools of thought here:
1) Play prevent and give up the 7-12 yard out. If we go this route, they are going to end up attempting a very long field goal or will have to complete something deep over the middle to get into normal field goal range.
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2) Man was the right call and our guy got picked.
I don't know if the end of 1st half vs. K State came into the thought process here when we went to the prevent too soon and that killed our momentum in the first half with K State marching down the field and scoring. But there were 2 minutes left when they made that drive and only 22 seconds last night. To me, that was the turning point in that game.
To me, we could easily be sitting at 4-3 right now with wins over K State and Texas. I am disappointed in our coaching staff for allowing this to happen in 2 games. Props to the offense as it appears we have things clicking now. Disappointed in our staff for these 2 games. I think we could have won both with a different approach in these specific situations.
1) Play prevent and give up the 7-12 yard out. If we go this route, they are going to end up attempting a very long field goal or will have to complete something deep over the middle to get into normal field goal range.
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2) Man was the right call and our guy got picked.
I don't know if the end of 1st half vs. K State came into the thought process here when we went to the prevent too soon and that killed our momentum in the first half with K State marching down the field and scoring. But there were 2 minutes left when they made that drive and only 22 seconds last night. To me, that was the turning point in that game.
To me, we could easily be sitting at 4-3 right now with wins over K State and Texas. I am disappointed in our coaching staff for allowing this to happen in 2 games. Props to the offense as it appears we have things clicking now. Disappointed in our staff for these 2 games. I think we could have won both with a different approach in these specific situations.
Another classic example of Iowa State football being Iowa State football, unfortunately. If there is any takeaway we scored 45 points against a defense that the media tells me is pretty good.
I could not possibly agree more with the bolded statement above. Our coaching staff has been the difference, IMO, between us being 2-5 and 4-3 right now.
We have a losing mentality. The players haven't quit and they play hard, which I give them all the credit in the world for because it would be hard to get up for some of these games when your W-L record is what it is. They are not quitters at all.
But it is almost like we still expect to lose though at the end of some of these games. We tend to grab defeat from the claws of victory. It's like we're satisfied with playing KSU and Texas close, but hey, we're Iowa State, we're not supposed to actually win these games, are we?
Getting over that hump will be the difference between 3 and 4 win seasons and 7 and 8 win seasons.
Their kicker's career long is 45. That means they would have to get to the 28, but we can assume they would still have tried one from 45-50 yards out, meaning they would have to get to about the 33. They had to go deep right away. Bottom line is, we put Jared Brackens on a Shipley in a situation where we knew they would be going deep. That makes no sense. Play a soft zone, sit back and keep the ball in front of you. 10-15 yard gains at that point wouldn't have mattered.
FWIW, they said the call STANDS, it wasn't confirmed. Meaning if they had ruled in our favor, it would have been upheld in our favor.
I agree. Brackins was moved to LB from safety years ago because he was too slow at safety to cover people. You do NOT want him in one on one coverage with any WR from Texas.... PERIOD! That was a huge mistake in defensive strategy on Texas' last drive.
Heck, if Texas runs one play from their own 28 and don't get much, they probably kneel down. But we allow a huge play by gambling on defense. Unacceptable in my eyes. And then to give up another one after that is just hard to even imagine.
I thought our coaching staff did a lot of good things last night, but their decisions defensively at the end cost us the game IMO.
To be fair, we could also easily be sitting at 1-6 if Kaptain Kirk hadn't decided to call a timeout and give Netten a second chance. It goes both ways.
Texas made spot on passes and determined catches. Two of them in a row. We need to score more points!!!! ???
I understand the point you are trying to make, but him not calling a timeout only means we most likely go to OT...far from chalking it up as a loss at that point.
Maybe it's just me, but did anyone else think that the UT receiver pulled down the defender on the last long reception? He was in great position and I don't think he just fell on his own. Our receivers need to learn to do this subtly.
From another perspective, maybe he doesn't miss it if the timeout wasn't called in the middle of his approach.
True. There's a world of difference between playing a prevent with 2 minutes left (which often doesn't work), and 22 seconds left when you want the offense to throw underneath.
It was called correctly and perhaps even more importantly reviewed correctly. It would just be marvelous to have that happen when ISU makes great plays.
For anyone who missed the game yesterday, even all but six minutes of the first half they are playing the entire game right now on The Cyclone TV channel on Mediacom. I figured they probably got all of the game taped even though there were technical difficulties. The grid guide says the game started at 7 but it is just now is in the first part of the 2nd quarter which we didn't get to see yesterday. It will be played again at these times and I'm sure many more times to come.
2:30 a.m., 8:30 a.m., 2:30 p.m., and 6:30 p.m. Monday 10/20 and beyond. They show the time as 3 1/2 hours but can end earlier than that as they often cut out times when the clock is stopped and 1/2 time.
2:30 a.m., 8:30 a.m., 2:30 p.m., and 6:30 p.m. Monday 10/20 and beyond. They show the time as 3 1/2 hours but can end earlier than that as they often cut out times when the clock is stopped and 1/2 time.
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I think it was very close to being an ineligible receiver. He was very close to being out of bounds the step before he caught it, and he did not re-establish himself inbounds before catching it.
