Friday OT #1 - Mr. Know-It-All

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Yes in the first couple of elections it was just electing the president directly and literally who finished second was Vice President. That changed in the early 1800s. It was created as well because back then they thought citizens weren't informed enough to truly be able to elect the president by popular vote. Also there is a messy history with the Three Fifth's compromise that is part of that original electoral college so the southern states were "represented" since almost half of their population wasn't able to vote.

The Electoral College then (and now) gives each state a number of Electoral Votes equal to its representation in Congress. In essence, every state receives two votes (Senators) plus its House delegation's size.

Iowa has four seats in the House... plus the two Senators... equals six. This has had the (to me, beneficial) political effects of slightly increasing the power of small, rural states in presidential elections (only slightly, though, certainly not as much as the Senate does) and making the election about competitive "swing states." This, again, to me, has the benefit of demanding presidential candidates attempt to appeal to a wider geographical and socioeconomic coalition than if they could just camp on the major cities going for the popular vote freely ignoring large regions of the country.

The involvement of the noxious three-fifths compromise with the Electoral College is indirect. The main issue with the three-fifths compromise was if Mid-Atlantic and Southern slaves states could count their slave population towards the population used in their Congressional apportionment. When some states had more slaves than free people (e.g., South Carolina was 43% slaves in 1790 and 57% slaves in 1860), how much weight their slave populations would have in the Congressional apportionment would have a lot of influence on their voting power in Congress.

The Electoral College was just downstream of that. Not saying the president was an afterthought at the constitutional convention (though the office of vice president certainly was), but the real debates in framing the new government were over Article I and Congress. Congress was presumed to have had most of the power at that point in history -- the president was there in many ways just to "mind the shop" while Congress was out of session.

The convention did not put nearly as much time into Article II as Article I. The debates around Article I, such as the Connecticut compromise and the three-fifths compromise and the compromise that protected the slave trade until 1808 from regulation by Congress, were the ones that took much most of the oxygen.

The Founders certainly did not imagine a future where governing was so executive-heavy and the president was at the center of American political (and even social and cultural) life like the office has become.

So no, the three-fifths compromise was not "part of the original Electoral College." It was part of the original formula for determining the apportionment of House seats, which has a downstream effect on EC votes.
 
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I'm in education and get a lot of comments assuming all sorts of things that go on at my job and not only are they completely wrong and based off of stereotypes and stigmas, but it's clear they haven't stepped foot into that kind of setting forever.

So your the one putting litter boxes in the bathrooms and making the kindergarten class read literature porn. o_O ;) :jimlad:

JK.
 
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I am a stickler for proper spelling and pronunciation, especially names, even though I don't have as much experience with the latter anymore. I remember from JlMC classes at ISU years ago that correct spelling of a person's name (in print to be read by the public) and correct pronunciation (broadcasting) are necessary to ensure you're sharing info about the person you intend. In other words, if I were to write John Smith and his name actually is spelled Jon Smith, I am identifying the wrong person.

As for pronunciation, I'm usually cautious about saying someone's name if I haven't met or been introduced to them until I've asked them how they pronounce their name. And then I'll usually ask the spelling if I may need it. Many times people will say, oh, it doesn't matter, and I'll tell them yes, it really does matter.
 

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Oh, when someone calls any craft beer "dark beer". That drives me up a damn wall.

A few years ago friends were in town when Iowa was playing at Madison and we went out for a bit. An Iowa fan got a local beer and called it 'weed beer'. Iirc it was Hopalicious, one of my favorites and just an APA.

I credited it to Hokness.
 

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To be fair, hops and weed smell awfully similar

Yeah but 'weed beer'? Haha.

I think it was one of those insular 'well we're in WI where everybody smokes drugs' kind of things like it doesn't happen in their own backyard.
 

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I'm in the insurance industry.... you would be surprised how many people think what is covered by insurance, but isn't.
You would also be shocked things that ARE covered, that nobody thinks of. Crazy industry for sure.
 
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Being in transportation, I have a really good sense of time/distance, as well as the location of most cities across the country. If you were to pick two random starting and ending points in the US, I could probably give you an intersecting city and time without looking it up. I'd likely be within 150 miles and 2 hours.

The ladies love my logistical prowess.

Chicks love the long haul.
 

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I'm curious to know some examples of little-known coverage, maybe I can adjust my policy. :)
Some of it depends on what state you are from. Each state has its quirks with insurance.... especially auto insurance.
 

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I'm not sure exactly how to word this. Is there a topic about which your are more knowledgeable than the general population - so anytime it gets thrown around in casual discussion, it drives you insane when it's just totally misrepresented? If so, do you correct people?

I know more about HIPAA and private health information confidentiality than the average person, for a variety of reasons (including that it is "HIPAA" and not "HIPPA"). This gets misrepresented in debates online and in person all of the time. Since I'm certainly not an authority, just more familiar, I usually don't step in when people are talking about it. It's sort of more fun to watch the dumpster fire.

Do you know a lot about cement vs concrete? Or what is a bull market vs a bear market? What is your topic that drives you insane when people don't understand it?
I know a little about a lot of things, basically because that's what my major at Iowa State required. I took the only major that required a balance of knowledge with fewer credits required in the major itself to graduate and more elective credits than most majors.

I also know more about grammar, editing and how print journalism works than most people do. I get tired of know-it-alls trying to tell me how all media outlets work and they lump print journalism in with what passes for news programs in TV media, most of whom don't abide by the same rigorous standards that print media does. But try telling that to someone who knows better :rolleyes:
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I know a little about a lot of things, basically because that's what my major at Iowa State required. I took the only major that required a balance of knowledge with fewer credits required in the major itself to graduate and more elective credits than most majors.

I also know more about grammar, editing and how print journalism works than most people do. I get tired of know-it-alls trying to tell me how all media outlets work and they lump print journalism in with what passes for news programs in TV media, most of whom don't abide by the same rigorous standards that print media does. But try telling that to someone who knows better :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I don’t even try anymore. Have to be content that I have the knowledge and they have a mouth.
 

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Yeah but 'weed beer'? Haha.

I think it was one of those insular 'well we're in WI where everybody smokes drugs' kind of things like it doesn't happen in their own backyard.

If you're looking for a weed beer check that one out next time you're in Texas. It smells like a joint and tastes like marijuana tea. (Not that I would ever know what that would taste like :jimlad:)
 

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Taxes. I constantly am told by clients what tax laws are and I can't understand why they pay me to do their stuff if they already know it all.

The number of people who don't understand the progressiveness of tax brackets is another that drives me nuts.
 

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I'm a finish carpenter but I was a traveling superintendent as well for years so I know quite a bit about the skilled labor market and nuisances all over America.

I hate the check writer contractors that don't actually understand the process of construction from a nuts and bolts/sweat and tears side of things. They just want their ROI. Dehumanize the labor far too much.
 
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I'm in the insurance industry.... you would be surprised how many people think what is covered by insurance, but isn't.
You would also be shocked things that ARE covered, that nobody thinks of. Crazy industry for sure.

I have "full coverage"
 

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I have "full coverage"
Just a quick example.... some states car policies will pay out some death benefits from your own policy to your beneficiaries in the event that you pass away in a car accident. Also, if your pet dies in a car accident (pet must be in the car) you can get some coverage for that too.
 

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