I just ran across that after I posted. I'd love to see it happen, but will it?
... nnnaahhhh.
Good info from Jon. Narcisse at CN
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I just ran across that after I posted. I'd love to see it happen, but will it?
... nnnaahhhh.
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If it happens, we can put him on a pedestal. Until then....
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You guys have a much higher opinion of the Big XII north teams than I do. Nebraska is very overrated. They struggled mightily with Kansas at home last year. The big twelve north consists of a bunch of simlarly talented teams.
I don't expect ISU to win the North, but with a veteran quarterback coming back and a playmaker at receiver and linebacker, I'm certainly not going to say it couldn't happen or won't happen.
If we were in the south, I would say no way.
PS Didn't ISU come an inch from winning the north two years ago? Some of you have very short term memories. Our talent level isn't that low.
I don't expect ISU to win the North, but with a veteran quarterback coming back and a playmaker at receiver and linebacker, I'm certainly not going to say it couldn't happen or won't happen.
If we were in the south, I would say no way.
PS Didn't ISU come an inch from winning the north two years ago? Some of you have very short term memories. Our talent level isn't that low.
I agree; Free is free and I think there is some good information in there in terms the general conditioning, the attitude of the team and coaches. Some of his opinions seem way beyond what most optimistic Clone fans think. (This guy must not have been at the Kansas game last year if he thinks ISU was the best team in the north. I was, and ugly doesn't even come close to how bad that was.)
We can only hope he is partially right.
I do remember Nebraska struggling to win against Kansas at home last year. I also remember myself leaving the at home Kansas game early last year because we were getting worked so bad.
Yours is apparently shorter than mine in that regard.
and you must have forgotten that Kansas lost to Toledo. That was the same Toledo team ISU beat.
You may want to refresh your memory.
You may want to refresh your memory.
Exactly, there is interesting info in the interview. Better than I can get from the register or ames trib or cyclones.com or CF (with the exception of 33). I guess he doesn't pass the CF purity test.
My memory is fine, we just weren't talking about Toledo.
I'm just saying, if you're using Nebraska struggling to WIN against Kansas at home when we got absolutely pasted by Kansas at home as an argument on how we have similar talent, I just don't see it.
ISU offense vs. Kansas: 213 total yards, 33 rushing yards, 10 points
Nebraska offense vs. Kansas: 511 total yards, 116 rushing yards, 39 points
You're right, that just screams similar talent right there.
I'm just saying, if you're using Nebraska struggling to WIN against Kansas at home when we got absolutely pasted by Kansas at home as an argument on how we have similar talent, I just don't see it.
ISU offense vs. Kansas: 213 total yards, 33 rushing yards, 10 points
Nebraska offense vs. Kansas: 511 total yards, 116 rushing yards, 39 points
You're right, that just screams similar talent right there.
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It might be an example of some pretty good homerism but I am not going to lie and say I didn't enjoy listening to it. It was nice to listen to somebody in a media role who is totally geeked up about the new staff and the cyclones as a whole.
I don't think we will go 10-2 or 9-3 or 8-4 but...
...I really think that in college football the attitude and the will to win can be a huge factor in any game regardless of talent not to mention coaching/play calling, strength and cond. etc.
If you go back and listen there is some good (opinion based albeit) info.
Whats a little homerism between cyclone fans anyway?
I don't think we will go 10-2 or 9-3 or 8-4 but...
...I really think that in college football the attitude and the will to win can be a huge factor in any game regardless of talent not to mention coaching/play calling, strength and cond. etc.
If you go back and listen there is some good (opinion based albeit) info.
Whats a little homerism between cyclone fans anyway?
The one thing that has to be very concerning is that he thought that the 3 JC DL were not close to breaking into the starting lineup. After the way he was carrying on about the other player it makes me wonder if they are a complete bust.
I may be wrong, but I thought that when Deace used to do his friday roundtables when he had his KXNO show, Narcisse was a big hawk fan. So either he has really come around and is now a myopic fan, is pandering to his customers since he runs a cyclone site, or he is legitimately seeing reason to be hopeful for what he is saying (granted, just his opinion)
I remember the complaints that a hawk was running a cyclone site when he took over CN and now he's just a huge clone homer.
I remember the complaints that a hawk was running a cyclone site when he took over CN and now he's just a huge clone homer.
How anybody can take this guy very seriously is beyond me. He's a guy that is running a Cyclone site purely for financial concerns. We as a Cyclone fan-base should be pissed he is the guy representing the Cyclones on Jon Miller's show, on Mediacom and other places. In this same regard, how the heck can Jon Miller give this guy the time of day on his show and not ever have John Walters, Eric Heft or other legitimate members of the Cyclone media on his show. Just last week Narcisse called Sage Rosenfels...Saul Rosenberg. Care to answer that question JonDMiller? I like optimism as much as the next guy, but Narcisse is making a fool out of himself and Cyclone fans a as a result.
Rant over. I feel better.
Rant over. I feel better.
Wow, getting deep here. I was not a supporter of McCarney going back to UCONN in 2002, but Jon seems to go out of his way to tear down the old staff anyway possible. Any new point that comes up seems to bring another attack towards the old regime.
Lay off Jon, they are gone.
Lay off Jon, they are gone.
Jonathon is trying to convey a new message to the fans. The old ways are a part of the past now. We have a new way of thinking for ISU football. Winning is what this is all about. I am sure the new coaching staff is thinking the same way. They are there to do it, not wish about it. All the negativity is a thing of the past as well. With a new coaching staff and the administration firmly behing that coaching staff the fans need to do what they need to do. Buy tickets, go to games, and get loud.
I had to listen to Zabel when I lived in Des Moines
so I think it is fair that another "journalist" is the homerist for the Clones. Perhaps they can face each other and their voices will cancel each other.
In the mean time, I'll listen to logical pieces and smile at the hyperbole.
so I think it is fair that another "journalist" is the homerist for the Clones. Perhaps they can face each other and their voices will cancel each other.
In the mean time, I'll listen to logical pieces and smile at the hyperbole.
This guy makes statements that Marty Tirrell would make at a Hawkeye Club luncheon just to **** them off. Brett Meyer is a better QB than both Seneca and Sage? Does that mean Brett somehow becomes a first round draft pick and leads an NFL team in a starting role? We go 10-2 in the first year after a coaching change and a line that frankly was not much better at blocking than some high schools? I will guarantee you this. If ISU goes 10-2 and wins the North Narcisse can sign me up as a lifetime Cyclone Nation member and I will hang on his every word. Until then he is a blow hard that I wouldn't pay the price of a USA today to hear for the year.
What it seems that he is trying to do is show people that it is OK to have real expectations of winning. Gene expects to win, and soon. It's Ok for people to think that way, it really is the only way it happens.
I know that this group of fans has been trained forever to believe that we can't compete with the good teams. And in the past that was true as we had no budget, and horrible facilities. Now the budget isn't as big as some, but there is enough there to win with. We no longer have people in charge of the athletic department who look for reasons to fail, and excuses as to why it happens, and are willing to be held accountable. It's time for the fans to follow suit.
I know that this group of fans has been trained forever to believe that we can't compete with the good teams. And in the past that was true as we had no budget, and horrible facilities. Now the budget isn't as big as some, but there is enough there to win with. We no longer have people in charge of the athletic department who look for reasons to fail, and excuses as to why it happens, and are willing to be held accountable. It's time for the fans to follow suit.
"How anybody can take this guy very seriously is beyond me. He's a guy that is running a Cyclone site purely for financial concerns. We as a Cyclone fan-base should be pissed he is the guy representing the Cyclones on Jon Miller's show, on Mediacom and other places. In this same regard, how the heck can Jon Miller give this guy the time of day on his show and not ever have John Walters, Eric Heft or other legitimate members of the Cyclone media on his show. Just last week Narcisse called Sage Rosenfels...Saul Rosenberg. Care to answer that question JonDMiller? I like optimism as much as the next guy, but Narcisse is making a fool out of himself and Cyclone fans a as a result."
Jon is all in with this. He wants the Cyclones to win, and I think he is providing some good content and insight. In this world, there are far too many people that would complain if they were hung with new rope.
As for me not having Walters or Heft on, I absolutely want to have them on, and have talked to Eric about it. But Larry Cottlar has had those guys on his show each week for years, and last year when I put together what i wanted my football season shows to look like, I got a look at Larry's lineup, and it was pretty much the same thought process. So I went in different directions, to have something a bit different, plus, John, Eric, etc, don't have the time to do multiple shows on the same station. I had a convo with Eric, and just felt that I didn't want to wear him out. I love his color commentary, too.
I will contact John again this month, and see what his schedule is like, but its hard with people doing so many things. One has to be respectful of their time....and its not because I don't want to speak with them.
Jon is all in with this. He wants the Cyclones to win, and I think he is providing some good content and insight. In this world, there are far too many people that would complain if they were hung with new rope.
As for me not having Walters or Heft on, I absolutely want to have them on, and have talked to Eric about it. But Larry Cottlar has had those guys on his show each week for years, and last year when I put together what i wanted my football season shows to look like, I got a look at Larry's lineup, and it was pretty much the same thought process. So I went in different directions, to have something a bit different, plus, John, Eric, etc, don't have the time to do multiple shows on the same station. I had a convo with Eric, and just felt that I didn't want to wear him out. I love his color commentary, too.
I will contact John again this month, and see what his schedule is like, but its hard with people doing so many things. One has to be respectful of their time....and its not because I don't want to speak with them.
I'm so tired of this line of thinking. Let's get this straight, no one on this site wants Iowa State to lose. But predicting a team that was 4-8 last year who lost both of their lines (which were already pretty bad) with a new coach and a new system to go 10-2 is not what we need. That will just set the stage for Chizik to "not live up to expectations" and fans getting frustrated.
Realistically, it makes no difference what the fans think this team's record will be...none at all. As long as they go to the games and cheer for their team, it's up to the players and coaches to put wins on the schedule. The team is not going to be better if I think we will win 10 games this year or if I think they will win 2.
Wow. Finally got a chance to listen to this. Either Jon is completely insane, or maybe we're in for a better season than most of us think. Who knows at this point. I must admit... I was shaking my head in disbelief listening to his season predictions at the end.
Even if it is crazy, it was kind of cool to imagine a future where the guys on ESPN spoke about ISU like this.
Even if it is crazy, it was kind of cool to imagine a future where the guys on ESPN spoke about ISU like this.
