Has Paul Rhoads run out of gas? Is this the year we lay an egg?

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Doc

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Yeah, a couple things happen to Bama, and they aren't National Champions. A couple things happen to Michigan and they don't win a BCS bowl. Do you think they care? No. Sports are made of what actually happen, not what is supposed to. That's what's great about them. Damn near every team could add or take away wins by your logic.

The things that Hugs stated do have predictive value, though. This is simplistic, but let's say ISU goes 3-9 this upcoming year, but we lose to Oklahoma, West Virginia, Texas, and TCU by a combined 10 points. It's reasonable to say that if we played the season again, that we probably win 5-6 games. Same way with last year...if we were to replay the season, we probably just win 4-5.

Of course, sports are about what actually happens, but that logic doesn't apply when you are discussing predictions for the upcoming year. I guess if you think that winning close games is a serious skill, then that would influence your prediction. However, a completely new true freshman kicker should probably balance out any skill we have at winning close games.
 

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Doc said:
However, a completely new true freshman kicker should probably balance out any skill we have at winning close games.

Does it really matter if the kicker is a freshman or not?
 

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Does it really matter if the kicker is a freshman or not?

As much as people seem to forget, Guyer was pretty solid last year. He was 5/6 for FGs with no missed extra points in the close games he kicked FGs in (Kansas, Okie Lite, KSU, UCONN ). Netten may be good, but I don't he connects at that rate in close games this year.

EDIT: Now that I look at it further, Mahoney was 1/3 in close games last year. So I guess that evens out Guyers' good performance.
 

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Winning close games can/is a skill. Rhoads said the best way to win a game is not to lose it. Although we may have not paid for it win/loss record wise, we certainly beat ourselves up a lot last year. Costly penalties, plethora of turnovers, missed kicks, dropped passes, etc.

Iowa and bill Snyder Kansas state are kings of "getting lucky" and winning those close games.
 

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As much as people seem to forget, Guyer was pretty solid last year. He was 5/6 for FGs with no missed extra points in the close games he kicked FGs in (Kansas, Okie Lite, KSU, UCONN ). Netten may be good, but I don't he connects at that rate in close games this year.

EDIT: Now that I look at it further, Mahoney was 1/3 in close games last year. So I guess that evens out Guyers' good performance.

How far were the ones that Mahoney attempted tho do you remember? Last I checked he didn't attempt anything inside 50 in close games last year and pretty sure his 53 yarder vs Iowa was a pretty big one going into half.
 

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Let me go ahead and disagree with you. The Iowa game shouldn't have been close. Our own mistakes kept them in the game with us.

Kansas State is a game that we were in, and had a chance to win. I'm pretty sure there weren't very many turnovers in that game.

Oklahoma has beaten us into the dirt in the last decade. Last year's game was the first time I can honestly say that we deserved to be on the same field as them. We competed with Oklahoma, a team that was considered a national championship contender.

We didn't expect to beat Oklahoma State, but we definitely deserved to be on the field with them.

The Missouri game was the game last year that made no sense. It's like the team wasn't the same. I'd love to hear some details on what was going on in the locker room at halftime, on the sidelines during the game, and on the trip down to Columbia. Those guys in the ISU uniforms were imposters.

I agree with this post. We looked the part of a Big 12 team last year, more than any year since 2005. Had this staff been in place then, that team would have won the 10 games they should have, but that is another story.

The things that we need to see this year is the continued maturation of our lines. I am not going to lie, I am a little nervous about the O-Line this year.

And your last paragraph is really interesting. It has happened each year CPR has been here. This team gets off the rails a bit, and it spirals down to where they have to bottom out. A couple years ago, it was at OU, this year it was definitely the Mizzu game. I don't know why this happens, but it has definitely been one mark against the staff.

CPR said at the Waterloo tailgate that if you are Iowa State, you don't beat Okie St, and go to two bowls, and start recruiting four and five star players. And he is absolutely right about that. We need to do the best job of probably anyone in the conference of having to identify the right players.

I think there is something to the staff trying to move to a higher level of targets on the recruiting front. And I am ok with that. Back in the mac the mediocre days, especially after Alvarez laughed his *** off at him wanting to coach Wisconsin, too many times, he took the path of least resistance when recruiting.

At this point, and probably forever, we are never going to out recruit the rest of the conference. That is why evaluation and development is THE most important thing that we have to successfully accomplish.
 

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I'm not trolling at all. Sorry I don't agree with you all.


I actually understand what you are saying...Iowa State fans are conditioned to expect the worst.

The TWO things I want to see from our QB this year, no matter who it turns out to be, is the ability to NOT turn the ball over, and go out and move the football when the defense is getting run over.

How many times have we seen the d get scored on, and then have the offense go 3 and out quickly? That makes the d have to go right back on the field, and they get worn down. That turns games into the blowouts that we have seen over the years.

That starts, however, with O line play. We have to establish the run in every game, it is just that simple. We have to be able to go out and pick up a couple first downs when the d just gave up a long drive to give the coaches a chance to regroup the defense. I remember that Utah game, and how horrible it was to see us give up long drives, and then see the offense be on the field for a minute...That has to stop.
 

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This is not only not true, it's an idiotic perspective. What Mac did was start making disastrous mistakes--and he was operating on such a thin margin that he had no reserve to compensate.

Among them:

A. The horrible decision to focus on JC recruits following the insight.com win.

B. Hiring Marty Fine.

C. Not quite a "decision", but a run of signing three placekickers in a row whose careers were derailed before they ever started--ending with Chris Mahoski, who blew out a knee playing soccer within a few weeks of signing his LOI.

These and others led to an avalanche that brought the house tumbling down. Fortunately, CPR doesn't seem to be making these kinds of mistakes--quite the opposite, he's making great moves that are increasing the margin available.


Oh please, mac thought he could turn that 9 win team into another job...

When he realized that NOBODY was going to hire him, he settled into the "face of the athletic department" role, and cashed checks.

He knew that there was, and still is, a segment of the fanbase that only cares about beating iowa. He got lucky that hayden let that program slide, and kirkie had to rebuild it. How many "good" teams did he beat, that didn't have iowa on their jersey? He beat **** nebbie teams, and acted like he beat Tommie Frazier. He beat a **** KState team, and acted like he beat Michael Bishop.

NOBODY wanted mac to win more than I did. But he was a horrible HEAD coach. He is, however, an excellent line coach.

Jesus, when OTHER schools are the ones that are telling us that he is the best that we can do, that should tell you a lot. Of course the cult of personality thing is strong, and we have to personalize the coach...:sad:

Hopefully, he is doing well, and he learned from the coaches that he worked with.
 

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I don't understand why you think it was a fluke? And how have we not upgraded talent? Last year, we had:

-Big 12 Co-Defensive Player of the Year [When was the last time we had one of those?]
-Offensive New Comer of the Year
-TWO players on the First Team All-Big 12 teams
-THREE players on the Second Team All-Big 12 teams
-FOUR players with Honorable Mentions

We didn't play well for a 4 game stretch to start the Big 12 season but after that we:

-Whipped a then-ranked Texas Tech team on the road
-Beat #2 OSU
-Hung with #9 Oklahoma on the road
-Lost a close one against #8 Kansas State on the road

Add in beating Iowa and winning at UCONN, and I would argue it was the opposite of a fluke...that made huge progress.

Unfortunately we played 7 Top 25 teams (3 Top 10 Teams). But I think from a competitive standpoint, it was our most successful season in a long, long time.

very well said!
 
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