Hoiberg fired from the Bulls

[Urbandale2013]

You put a lot of emphasis on in bounds plays? JFC Norman Dale.

Out of bounds plays are an easy way to see a coaches talent. Prohms teams have consistently struggled to even get the ball in bounds in pressure situations. When is the last time one of those plays successfully created an opportunity to score right away. Good offensive coaches should be able to draw up a play to go get points. Is that what the majority of the game is? No, absolutely not but if we have 5 seconds in the game with the ball out of bounds down 1 I don’t feel confident we get a good look.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Transfers as a primary source of talent is a poor long term model but you can't ignore transfers completely either.

Prohm has said multiple times he wants a roster that is a blend of everything. Great high school talent, the right transfers and JUCOs that fit a need and know their role.

Speaking of which, our current rotation consists of...

Nick Weiler-Babb -- transfer from Arkansas, legacy recruit
Tyrese Haliburton -- high school player
Talen Horton-Tucker -- high school player
Marial Shayok -- sit-one, play-one transfer from Virginia
Michael Jacobson -- sit-one, play-two transfer from Nebraska

Likely additional rotational players once we are back to full strength...

Lindell Wigginton -- high school player
Zoran Talley -- graduate transfer, play-two
Solomon Young -- high school player
Cameron Lard -- high school player, but has sure taken an interesting route to Ames

No JUCOs on the roster. Actually, Prohm's only JUCO so far has been Donovan Jackson, unless you count Jordan Ashton being on scholarship for a year.

We are starting three transfers right now.

But we're not Transfer U anymore?

 

[CyTwins]

Out of bounds plays are an easy way to see a coaches talent.

 

[RedDog]

Give me a coach with the energy and spirit of a high school cheerleader and does not settle for merely getting the ball in bounds.

 

[jmb]

Remember when CW said he basically had an article written about Fred coaching at Ohio State? And then Fred said that was false? There was a reason why CW thought about writing that and it wasn’t because he thought there was no chance Fred would coach in college again.

The “hates recruiting” line was always ******** to placate Iowa State fans and most of them bought it. He never hated recruiting as much as he didn’t like coaching at Iowa state. And that’s understandable. It was a fish bowl for that family. He’ll take another college job at a more perforable school.

What on earth are you saying? He wants to go to a school that he can perforate?

 

[Gunnerclone]

Out of bounds plays are an easy way to see a coaches talent. Prohms teams have consistently struggled to even get the ball in bounds in pressure situations. When is the last time one of those plays successfully created an opportunity to score right away. Good offensive coaches should be able to draw up a play to go get points. Is that what the majority of the game is? No, absolutely not but if we have 5 seconds in the game with the ball out of bounds down 1 I don’t feel confident we get a good look.

That’s like ultra specific (and dumb)...that situation only applies if the shot clock is really low and how often does that happen as most under basket and side in bounds are going to be the result of a foul.

 

[Lexclone]

Maybe said already, but if I have to pick between putting in tons of practice time towards NCAA-leading in-bounds plays or a stout defense, I hope a coach would pick defense.

 

[HFCS]

Bulls just suffered biggest loss in franchise history at home.

Firing Fred does not seem to be having a short term payoff.

 

[Die4Cy]

Fred was apparently fired because he wasn't deferential to that cockroach, Gar Forman, if you believe the Chicago Sun Times.

Players didn't like last season how much the Co-GM was hanging around the locker room and inserting himself into development and Fred told him to stay away. He did, but according to the article, had daggers for Hoiberg after that. Sports media in Chicago were never completely sold on Hoiberg, but know that the team gave him nothing to compete with, and see this as a firing of opportunity. That they lost that badly shows the level of dysfunction.

I have no clue how Forman has maintained a long term front office spot with the Bulls. What does he even do? Must have incriminating photos of Michael Reinsdorf or something.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports...s-the-main-force-behind-fred-hoibergs-firing/

 

[jbindm]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...s-push-back-coach-jim-boylen-aggressive-style

The post-Hoiberg era is off to a tremendous start. The NBA should contract this whole mess of an organization and give Seattle a franchise. Jesus.

 

[CYdTracked]

Just more proof that GarPax needs to go in Chicago if they are ever going to turn things around there. Pretty bad when 3 games in players are already holding a 2 hour players only meeting then have to air out their problems with both Boylan and Forman. The Bulls used to be a proud franchise that once had one of the leagues longest consecutive sellout streaks. At some point you'd think Jerry Reinsdorf will get frustrated with the fan apathy and empty seats in the United Center and clean house in the front office. Amazes me how he hasn't done that already they way his franchise has been in a tailspin for awhile now.

I really don't watch much NBA anymore, the college game is more entertaining these days. There was a time where I watched the Bulls as much as I could in the 90's and early 2000's. Even the year Rose won MVP I got back into it a little more and tried to again when they hired Fred but I can hardly watch more than a few minutes of that team right now when I've tried. They are so terribly over matched talent wise right now they usually are down big most times I've flipped to the game to see what the score is. The Bulls are still probably one of the top 5 valued franchises in the league with Knicks, Lakers, Warriors, and Celtics the other 4. The longer the Bulls suck their value is likely to suffer from it too. Reinsdorf is 82, maybe he has someone else running his stuff now that he just doesn't care anymore but he's been way too loyal over the years to guys like Jerry Krause, John Paxson, and Gar Forman who have run his franchise into the ground.

 

[jbindm]

Just more proof that GarPax needs to go in Chicago if they are ever going to turn things around there. Pretty bad when 3 games in players are already holding a 2 hour players only meeting then have to air out their problems with both Boylan and Forman. The Bulls used to be a proud franchise that once had one of the leagues longest consecutive sellout streaks. At some point you'd think Jerry Reinsdorf will get frustrated with the fan apathy and empty seats in the United Center and clean house in the front office. Amazes me how he hasn't done that already they way his franchise has been in a tailspin for awhile now.

I really don't watch much NBA anymore, the college game is more entertaining these days. There was a time where I watched the Bulls as much as I could in the 90's and early 2000's. Even the year Rose won MVP I got back into it a little more and tried to again when they hired Fred but I can hardly watch more than a few minutes of that team right now when I've tried. They are so terribly over matched talent wise right now they usually are down big most times I've flipped to the game to see what the score is. The Bulls are still probably one of the top 5 valued franchises in the league with Knicks, Lakers, Warriors, and Celtics the other 4. The longer the Bulls suck their value is likely to suffer from it too. Reinsdorf is 82, maybe he has someone else running his stuff now that he just doesn't care anymore but he's been way too loyal over the years to guys like Jerry Krause, John Paxson, and Gar Forman who have run his franchise into the ground.

This is a shame, because today's NBA product is way superior to what they were serving up in the 90s and early 2000s.

 

[CYdTracked]

This is a shame, because today's NBA product is way superior to what they were serving up in the 90s and early 2000s.

Will just have to disagree with you on this one...

 

[kingcy]

Just more proof that GarPax needs to go in Chicago if they are ever going to turn things around there. Pretty bad when 3 games in players are already holding a 2 hour players only meeting then have to air out their problems with both Boylan and Forman. The Bulls used to be a proud franchise that once had one of the leagues longest consecutive sellout streaks. At some point you'd think Jerry Reinsdorf will get frustrated with the fan apathy and empty seats in the United Center and clean house in the front office. Amazes me how he hasn't done that already they way his franchise has been in a tailspin for awhile now.

Why does Reinsdorf care about butts in seats. He is still making money no matter how many people show up. Remember this is the same owner that allowed the best player in the game and best coach at the time walk away.

 

[HFCS]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...s-push-back-coach-jim-boylen-aggressive-style

The post-Hoiberg era is off to a tremendous start. The NBA should contract this whole mess of an organization and give Seattle a franchise. Jesus.

The organization took a ride on the coattails of the GOAT and have never recalibrated their ego. I've been a Bulls fan longer than an ISU fan and lived there and followed them locally for 15 years. It's exhausting.

 

[HFCS]

Why does Reinsdorf care about butts in seats. He is still making money no matter how many people show up. Remember this is the same owner that allowed the best player in the game and best coach at the time walk away.

The Cubs, Bears and Bulls all get amazing attendance no matter how bad they are. Sox and Blackhawks get good attendance but not when they are horrible. There was a time living there mabe 10-12 years ago when the Bulls and Blackhawks were dead last in both leagues, Bulls were somehow selling out and Blackhawks were giving away free tickets.

Chicago is probably closer to a two franchise city than a one franchise city for NBA, MLB and NFL. If the Bulls didn't have the Jordan legacy I think they'd need to win. People from around the country/world come and want to see where MJ played. Bears tickets will go for double or triple face value when the team is garbage.

 

[jpete24]

Bulls just suffered biggest loss in franchise history at home.

Firing Fred does not seem to be having a short term payoff.

Oh you assume firing Fred is about his abilities as a coach?

 

[laminak]

The Cubs, Bears and Bulls all get amazing attendance no matter how bad they are. Sox and Blackhawks get good attendance but not when they are horrible. There was a time living there mabe 10-12 years ago when the Bulls and Blackhawks were dead last in both leagues, Bulls were somehow selling out and Blackhawks were giving away free tickets.

Chicago is probably closer to a two franchise city than a one franchise city for NBA, MLB and NFL. If the Bulls didn't have the Jordan legacy I think they'd need to win. People from around the country/world come and want to see where MJ played. Bears tickets will go for double or triple face value when the team is garbage.

The Blackhawks alienated a lot of fans under the ownership of Dollar Bill Wirtz, including not airing home games.

It's also criminal that Soldier Field is one of the smallest stadiums in the NFL.

 

[HFCS]

The Blackhawks alienated a lot of fans under the ownership of Dollar Bill Wirtz, including not airing home games.

It's also criminal that Soldier Field is one of the smallest stadiums in the NFL.

Smallest capacity with quite possibly the most demand. I could only imagine the demand Bears tickets would have if they were one of the more consistent teams, the prices I saw some years when they sucked were insane.

 

[CYdTracked]

Why does Reinsdorf care about butts in seats. He is still making money no matter how many people show up. Remember this is the same owner that allowed the best player in the game and best coach at the time walk away.

Good point. But a good owner wouldn't have allowed this franchise to sink as low as it has as when it was once on the top as they are still missing out on a lot of revenue had they been able to do a rebuild and sustain it. It's been 1 failed rebuild after another since 1998 with a lot of ugly lows. Bulls probably were at their peek popularity before he ran off MJ and Phil and have pretty much ruined their brand about as much as the Knicks have. No superstar free agents have wanted to sign with the Bulls since that last championship and they've done a horrible job drafting over the years too. Let's see what they have to show for things since then:

Coaches (not including interims): Tim Floyd, Bill Cartwright, Scott Skiles, Jim Boylan, Vinny Del Negro, Tom Thibodeau, Fred Hoiberg. Thibs is the only one of that group with a winning record and the next closest was Del Negro who went 82-82 in 2 seasons before Thibs. Front office had their problems with just about every one of those guys too.

Draft History: over the past 15 years: https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/look-back-past-15-years-bulls-draft-night or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls_draft_history Some real winners in there like Eddy Curry and they traded a proven solid player in Elton Brand away for a HS Tyson Chandler, hate to say it but 2000 with Fizer and Jamal Crawford (drafted Mihm and traded for him) were busts, Jay Williams, lot of lotto picks in there that never panned out and the ones that did either got hurt or were traded. Most of the guys who turned out to be decent players they did draft didn't have much longevity with the team either.

"Biggest" Free agent signings: Ron Mercer, Carlos Boozer, Eddie Robinson, Donyell Marshall, Brent Barry, Ben Wallace, summer of 2000 especially was disappointing as they struck out on every big name they went after and then overpaid for Mercer and Brad Miller who they later on down the road traded for an over-rated Jalen Rose. Kind of been the case ever since too as they overpaid for Boozer after striking out yet again on another loaded free agent class and this time they had a decent roster to add to with a then healthy and productive Rose, Noah, and Deng that were starting to turn things around.

Just amazes me how many times the front office missed on draft picks, free agent signings, and botched trades or couldn't pull the trigger on potential trades that could have set them up better down the road either with talent, draft picks, or salary cap flexibility. If you look at this current roster, other than Markkanen, LaVine, and probably Carter are any of those guys worth building a long term roster around? Most of those guys would be nothing more than a role player or end of the bench guy at best on a good team right now. They don't have any other 1st round draft picks stockpiled than their own and as long as GarPax is running the front office no big name free agents are signing with them either. Good luck finding your next coach to take over that dire situation...