Hoiberg to Transfer to Iowa State???
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He ran his old offense that he did at uni. It's not complicated. Basketball changed and he didn't. He changed to the new way at Creighton. The rest is history.
Prohm was a crappy coach who could usually recruit well enough to overcome his coaching. ISU had so much talent some of those years and did so mediocre.
It seems forgotten that McD was slated to come back for 2010-11 until Creighton came calling. After underachieving with Brackens, Gilstrap, Hamilton and Co., who all left after 2010. It wasn’t setting up to be pretty…
That Brackens, Gilstrap and Hamilton team should have been NIT at worst. I really have no idea how McDermott didn’t succeed here, but at the end of the day I’m glad we eventually got Hoiberg and TJ.
That team had three future NBA players plus Gilstrap, a very good JUCO transfer.
How the floor for that isn't AT LEAST an NCAA tournament evades me.
I sort of agree. But he achieved what every other “good” coach has here.
Top-heavy roster, injuries, dubious point-guard play, and LaRon Dendy all factored prominently.
Repeating but imo he actually had ISU playing as good of overall basketball (both ends, team ball, etc.) as I'd seen in a long time with his first two teams at the end of the seasons.
There were also some weird losses and situations that called for a quicker action to make changes or planning that were red flags for. Like it seemed like he catered to other teams' strengths instead of trying to make THEM do the adjusting.
There were several times we heard 'yeah we should have done that earlier' after a loss or several losses when it was painfully obvious the simple solution was doing that thing to start with.
And I'm not convinced players knew where they stood which trickled down to dynamic issues. Sometimes that disconnect happens with the best of coaches but it seemed to be a common deal.
Water under the bridge and I'd guess being back in Murray, KY is a great deal for him.
This is where I'm at. Yes, the end of Prohm's time at Iowa State was as bad as it gets. But six years with 3 NCAA tournaments and a Sweet Sixteen is still in line with most other coaches of the modern era at Iowa State. McDermott didn't make any tournaments, Morgan was 1/3, Eustachy (though he had the ultimate peak of success) was 2/5, and Orr was 6/14 (6/10 in the 64-team tournament).
The obvious response is that Prohm only made it 3/6 years because of the talent that Hoiberg left. Sure, that's largely true, but the coach still has to get them there. There's an interesting comparison with McDermott. In each of the years he was at Iowa State, McDermott had at least 2 players who had a cup of coffee in the NBA (and in his last three years, he had 3 such players). Despite that level of talent, he never made the tournament and never even went .500. In comparison, every season that Prohm had at least 2 such players, he made the NCAA tournament.
The takeaway is that despite having some of the best rosters in the Big 12 during several of those years, Iowa State severely underperformed under several coaches. McDermott had some great players and didn't even get to the Big Dance. Hoiberg and Prohm both had elite talent.
TJ got scrubs to the Sweet Sixteen. Here's to the future!
As painful as it was, at times, under McDermott and Prohm, we got our man after each. Indeed, here's to the future!
I think you're a little off here.
You had Diante Garrett as a Junior PG. If any of his play was dubious, I'd argue it was because of the scheme.
You had Brackins who was a stud.
You had Gilstrap was was awfully good.
You had Justin Hamilton who ended up having a nice career
You had a 43% three point shooter in Christopherson.
The only injury to speak of was Lucca Staiger. and I guess Jamie Vanderbeeken who wasn't playing a ton.
I guess the top heavy roster makes sense. You had an really good starting lineup, but bench depth was weak. If Staiger and Vanderbeeken had stayed healthy, then maybe you'd have a solid 7 man rotation.
My bad on Garrett, though his role/impact changed wildly his senior year. My memory of that season is 1) McDermott suspending Colvin, then un-suspending him early because they were running out of warm bodies, 2) feeling really bad for Brackins, who probably cost himself millions of dollars by coming back, and 3) Dendy single-handedly costing us the UNI game by hoisting an terrible shot instead of holding the ball, while all of Hilton screamed “No!” in unison. Good times.
I recall that Hoiberg said something about DG being able to average like 16 ppg when he was hired. This board had a field day about how out of touch Fred was.
That season, DG averaged more than 17 a game after only being a 9 a game guy.
I remember early in that first Hoiberg season watching Diante turn into an entirely different player than the one under McDermott. The offense was 90% giving Diante the ball, setting a high screen for him, and letting him use his quickness to break down the defense, which usually ended in Garrett finishing at the rim in some creative fashion, a pick'n'pop back out to JVB, or a pass to Thug Life for a corner three.
During the non-con one time, I remember a play that happened right in front of me where Diante blew by the guy guarding him, split between two help defenders with a nasty crossover at full speed, and then a pretty finish at the rim with a reverse layup to stifle the shot blocker. Yes, it was against Three Blind Mice State, but he never showed that sort of quickness or creativity under the McDermott scheme.
I remember yelling out, "Where the hell was this the past three years!?!?"
@Alswelk replies, astutely and pithily, "McDermott told him not to."
McDermott had a dynamic scoring-PG on the roster with low-end NBA talent. He just didn't use him right.
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Brackins was still a mid first round pick. For one reason or another, his game just didn't translate.
Where was he projected had he come out as a sophomore?
And how was the salary structure for draft picks setup then in terms of guaranteed money?
I thought his game would translate well to the NBA -- but guys bust all the time.
He just happened to be one of them. He's had a nice overseas career, though.
