Hoiberg to Transfer to Iowa State???

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I remember early in that first Hoiberg season watching Diante turn into an entirely different player than the one under McDermott. The offense was 90% giving Diante the ball, setting a high screen for him, and letting him use his quickness to break down the defense, which usually ended in Garrett finishing at the rim in some creative fashion, a pick'n'pop back out to JVB, or a pass to Thug Life for a corner three.

During the non-con one time, I remember a play that happened right in front of me where Diante blew by the guy guarding him, split between two help defenders with a nasty crossover at full speed, and then a pretty finish at the rim with a reverse layup to stifle the shot blocker. Yes, it was against Three Blind Mice State, but he never showed that sort of quickness or creativity under the McDermott scheme.

I remember yelling out, "Where the hell was this the past three years!?!?"

@Alswelk replies, astutely and pithily, "McDermott told him not to."

McDermott had a dynamic scoring-PG on the roster with low-end NBA talent. He just didn't use him right.

I don't recall if it was pick and pop stuff but McD finally seemed to figure it out for the game at KSU the last regular season game in 2010. Not for Garrett but I just remember the offense opening up a whole bunch more.

Hoiberg gets a lot of credit for seeing what a player was good at, and then letting them do that which is oddly not that complicated. The two coaches on either side of his era struggled with it.
 

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Where was he projected had he come out as a sophomore?

And how was the salary structure for draft picks setup then in terms of guaranteed money?

I thought his game would translate well to the NBA -- but guys bust all the time.

He just happened to be one of them. He's had a nice overseas career, though.
I'm with you. I thought his game was very comparable to Kevin Durant. Same freshman class too, I believe. I was surprised he barely got a cup of coffee in the league.

His Junior year stats all decreased, except he shot a little better from 3pt.

I don't know what a year in Fred's system would have done for him professionally, but I do know that he would have balled out and probably be remembered a little better. That first Fred team with him in the fold probably would have played in some type of post season.
 
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I'm with you. I thought his game was very comparable to Kevin Durant. Same freshman class too, I believe. I was surprised he barely got a cup of coffee in the league.

His Junior year stats all decreased, except he shot a little better from 3pt.

I don't know what a year in Fred's system would have done for him professionally, but I do know that he would have balled out and probably be remembered a little better. That first Fred team with him in the fold probably would have played in some type of post season.

Garrett
Christopherson
Anderson
Brackins
Vanderbeken
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Palo
Ejim
Godfrey

Might have needed one more guard to be truly competitive.

But Brackins would have made hay in Fred's system as an early version of Georges Niang surrounded by two of the best shooters in school history like that -- assuming he adapts to that style.
 
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Garrett
Christopherson
Anderson
Brackins
Vanderbeken
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Palo
Ejim
Godfrey

Might have needed one more guard to be truly competitive.

But Brackins would have made hay in Fred's system as an early version of Georges Niang surrounded by two of the best shooters in school history like that -- assuming he adapts to that style.
Yep, I am with you. Likely not NCAA Tournament still but could have competed for NIT perhaps. Brackins would have been a scoring machine I would like to believe, in that wide open spread em out system.

A guard short, yeah I can see it. It is a meaningless exercise, but who could they have had?

Lucca Staiger - would have had a year of eligibility left I believe
Chris Colvin - would have contributed, but never wound up amounting to much at Arizona State
Demarcus Phillips - not really sure/bust?
Erik McKnight - not a guard, and never really amounted to much at other stops
Marquis Gilstrap - appealed for an extra season of eligibility, which would have been Fred's first year, but was denied.

Gilstrap is the obvious choice for one that could have put them over the edge I think. Still a little thin on guard play, so say both he and one of the aformentioned guards comes back/doesn't bust, and I think you have a pretty good team in year one of Hoiball. But then you don't get the awesome story that the 2011-12 team was. You may not have "Transfer U".

Edited to add one:

LaRon Dendy. Could have played his senior year for year one of Hoiball. Again, would have provided good depth but can't remember what happened/why he transferred. Was he a cancer or was it just the coaching change?
 

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Yep, I am with you. Likely not NCAA Tournament still but could have competed for NIT perhaps. Brackins would have been a scoring machine I would like to believe, in that wide open spread em out system.

A guard short, yeah I can see it. It is a meaningless exercise, but who could they have had?

Lucca Staiger - would have had a year of eligibility left I believe
Chris Colvin - would have contributed, but never wound up amounting to much at Arizona State
Demarcus Phillips - not really sure/bust?
Erik McKnight - not a guard, and never really amounted to much at other stops
Marquis Gilstrap - appealed for an extra season of eligibility, which would have been Fred's first year, but was denied.

Gilstrap is the obvious choice for one that could have put them over the edge I think. Still a little thin on guard play, so say both he and one of the aformentioned guards comes back/doesn't bust, and I think you have a pretty good team in year one of Hoiball. But then you don't get the awesome story that the 2011-12 team was. You may not have "Transfer U".

Edited to add one:

LaRon Dendy. Could have played his senior year for year one of Hoiball. Again, would have provided good depth but can't remember what happened/why he transferred. Was he a cancer or was it just the coaching change?

The guys who came back/showed up we can assume were to happen.

Brackins was going pro come hell or high water after having what seemed like a bad experience his junior year. I'm sure his relationship with McDermott was broken. He hasn't seemed to have had much of anything to do with Iowa State since he left. So hard to imagine that working out somehow.

But...

Maybe Fred gets to him. Sweettalks him in that dreamy way he's going to make him the centerpiece of a new, exciting offense and catapult him into the top ten or the top five after a dominant senior season. Maybe Fred and Craig hit it off and that's enough to put the bad memories of McD behind him.

The other guys are all kind of "ship has sailed" by the time Fred shows up...

Staiger left midseason long before Fred was hired.
Colvin wasn't very good and had a terrible attitude.
Phillips did play for Fred but "transferred" -- a total bust.
McKnight was a bust. Doesn't fill the need there.
Gilstrap would have helped a lot, but that appeal was denied.

Gilstrap is definitely an interesting hypothetical, but it wasn't his decision in the end. I think he obviously wanted to come back and would have loved to have had him, but that wasn't in the cards.

Assuming Brackins was back, then Fred needed to find a backup CG to chew some minutes. That would have given him a solid seven-man rotation that probably makes the NCAA tournament.

Garrett
Christopherson
Anderson
Brackins
Vanderbeken
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COMBO TRANSFER
Ejim
Godfrey

I think that's an NCAA tournament team if the combo is a guy like, say, Donovan Jackson.

You do have to make some room if that happens, though. The good news it would have been easy --

Don't give Palo a scholarship. Leave him as a walk-on equals one.
Run off Phillips for the sake of Brackins or a transfer guard equals two.
Colvin Godfrey had some potential or maybe don't recruit a bust like Railey equals three.

Then you can have that seven-man rotation *with* Allen, Babb, Booker, and White on redshirts.
 
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I don't recall if it was pick and pop stuff but McD finally seemed to figure it out for the game at KSU the last regular season game in 2010. Not for Garrett but I just remember the offense opening up a whole bunch more.

Hoiberg gets a lot of credit for seeing what a player was good at, and then letting them do that which is oddly not that complicated. The two coaches on either side of his era struggled with it.

Agreed. Hoiberg's offenses really needed a forward/center that could hit 3's to stretch/space the defense, as they relied heavily on a high ball screen. If defenses sagged on the screening forward/center (Ejim, Niang, Hogue...) they have an open three or an iso on a big man. If the defense plays tight, the guard is able to get into the paint (perfect example is Kane's game winning lay-up vs UNC). So many actions off the high ball screen that Iowa State perfected under Hoiberg (helps having multiple shooters).
 

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The guys who came back/showed up we can assume were to happen.

Brackins was going pro come hell or high water after having what seemed like a bad experience his junior year. I'm sure his relationship with McDermott was broken. He hasn't seemed to have had much of anything to do with Iowa State since he left. So hard to imagine that working out somehow.

But...

Maybe Fred gets to him. Sweettalks him in that dreamy way he's going to make him the centerpiece of a new, exciting offense and catapult him into the top ten or the top five after a dominant senior season. Maybe Fred and Craig hit it off and that's enough to put the bad memories of McD behind him.

The other guys are all kind of "ship has sailed" by the time Fred shows up...

Staiger left midseason long before Fred was hired.
Colvin wasn't very good and had a terrible attitude.
Phillips did play for Fred but "transferred" -- a total bust.
McKnight was a bust. Doesn't fill the need there.
Gilstrap would have helped a lot, but that appeal was denied.

Gilstrap is definitely an interesting hypothetical, but it wasn't his decision in the end. I think he obviously wanted to come back and would have loved to have had him, but that wasn't in the cards.

Assuming Brackins was back, then Fred needed to find a backup CG to chew some minutes. That would have given him a solid seven-man rotation that probably makes the NCAA tournament.

Garrett
Christopherson
Anderson
Brackins
Vanderbeken
---
COMBO TRANSFER
Ejim
Godfrey

I think that's an NCAA tournament team if the combo is a guy like, say, Donovan Jackson.

You do have to make some room if that happens, though. The good news it would have been easy --

Don't give Palo a scholarship. Leave him as a walk-on equals one.
Run off Phillips for the sake of Brackins or a transfer guard equals two.
Colvin Godfrey had some potential or maybe don't recruit a bust like Railey equals three.

Then you can have that seven-man rotation *with* Allen, Babb, Booker, and White on redshirts.
Ha yeah, way too many things would have had to go right for that team to compete better than they did. They actually did compete fairly well all things considered. Forgot about Railey. Good lord the busts in that class - Phillips, Railey, McKnight, and Godfrey. Though to Godfrey's credit I think he would have panned out had he been able to stay off the weed.
 

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Ha yeah, way too many things would have had to go right for that team to compete better than they did. They actually did compete fairly well all things considered. Forgot about Railey. Good lord the busts in that class - Phillips, Railey, McKnight, and Godfrey. Though to Godfrey's credit I think he would have panned out had he been able to stay off the weed.

Calvin Godfrey is kind of John the Baptist to Cameron Lard as Jesus Christ to me. Both were high-motor power forwards with unrefined offensive games who could just be terrors on the boards and in the paint to the point it didn't matter. And both chose weed over making a lot of money playing basketball.

Fred was damned lucky he was the master of recruiting transfers because much of his high school/prep school recruiting was frankly atrocious. There's a Prohm-level list of busts here...

Godfrey (not for lack of talent but for lack of attitude)
McKnight
Railey
Sledge
Gibson (remember when we thought he was good because Royce was feeding him layups?)
Okoro
Dorsey-Walker
Custer (didn't work out in Ames, though had a nice career for Loyola-Chicago)
Tsalmpouris

Of course he had a few good ones, too, but so did Prohm...

Ejim (more of a holdover from the previous regime, though)
Mitrou-Long (we were all ready to call him a bust at one point)
Niang
Morris
Thomas
 

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Calvin Godfrey is kind of John the Baptist to Cameron Lard as Jesus Christ to me. Both were high-motor power forwards with unrefined offensive games who could just be terrors on the boards and in the paint to the point it didn't matter. And both chose weed over making a lot of money playing basketball.

Fred was damned lucky he was the master of recruiting transfers because much of his high school/prep school recruiting was frankly atrocious. There's a Prohm-level list of busts here...

Godfrey (not for lack of talent but for lack of attitude)
McKnight
Railey
Sledge
Gibson (remember when we thought he was good because Royce was feeding him layups?)
Okoro
Dorsey-Walker
Custer (didn't work out in Ames, though had a nice career for Loyola-Chicago)
Tsalmpouris

Of course he had a few good ones, too, but so did Prohm...

Ejim (more of a holdover from the previous regime, though)
Mitrou-Long (we were all ready to call him a bust at one point)
Niang
Morris
Thomas
Yeah, I've never seen it all laid out like this, but had an idea that outside his top 100 type guys, Fred really struggled to get project types and develop them. Naz is really the lone exception, considering McDermott recruited Ejim. Prohm kind of developed Solo, although he did not get drastically better from FR to SR seasons.
 

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Yeah, I've never seen it all laid out like this, but had an idea that outside his top 100 type guys, Fred really struggled to get project types and develop them. Naz is really the lone exception, considering McDermott recruited Ejim. Prohm kind of developed Solo, although he did not get drastically better from FR to SR seasons.

Freshman Solo did show much promise, but he didn’t need to do much more than box out, rebound, and make bunnies given the guard talent and experience around him. His development stunted when the injuries robbed him of all his athleticism. I always felt bad for the guy but respected him for toughing it out to graduate during a very up-and-down period in the history of Iowa State basketball. I hope he’s doing alright now; we haven’t heard much about him since he departed.
 
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So I guess we can officially put this one to bed, not that anyone ever believed it to begin with.
 

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