How does a conference like the Big 10

[Clones85']

who hasn't been the best conference in football or basketball in YEARS have so much power? I know it's all about the money....so my question is how is that conference smarter than all the other conferences in getting money? I know they have a lot of viewers in there area to help get them on TV more. It just seems odd that a conference that probably ranks 4th in terms of success the last 10 years in football/basketball combined has so much power to completely change the way conferences are aligned.

Why don't other conferences see the success that the Big 10 is having financially and try to mirror what they do, rather than having teams leave to join them? Just think how successful they could be. They already beat up on the Big 10 on the field. If they improve financially they could beat them even more. I just don't get it, but I will be honest, I haven't paid any attention to the talks so far so my post could be idiotic. :wink:

Go easy on me fellow CF'ers

 

[CycloneJoe]

Big 10 has the $$$

TV Sets and Fans in the Stands

Big 10 Network

 

[Clones85']

Big 10 has the $$$

TV Sets and Fans in the Stands

Big 10 Network

I know this. But my question is why doesn't the Big 12 or another conference do the same thing? Revenue sharing. I don't think that it would be hard to get a Big 12 network at all. Why not mirror what works for the Big 10 financially?

 

[Farnsworth]

I know this. But my question is why doesn't the Big 12 or another conference do the same thing? Revenue sharing. I don't think that it would be hard to get a Big 12 network at all. Why not mirror what works for the Big 10 financially?

texas doesn't want to give us money.

 

[CycloneJoe]

Other than Dallas and Houston nobody lives in the B12 States that is why

Our populations are very low

That is why

 

[isuno1fan]

To my knowledge, the B10 has always followed the revenue sharing model. The other conferences (B12) not the case and those that have the power (Texas) do not want the other schools to close the gap.

Simple as that.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

I know this. But my question is why doesn't the Big 12 or another conference do the same thing? Revenue sharing. I don't think that it would be hard to get a Big 12 network at all. Why not mirror what works for the Big 10 financially?

The short answer on why the Big XII hasn't done anything to improve it's financial picture overall is the moron we have in charge. The guy should be fired immediately.

 

[dfwcy]

Big 10 has huge schools as well. Moore students = more fans/graduates. More people spending money at/for their schools.

 

[ddisu]

As it pains me to write this, the B10 is not as bad in fb/bb as we think. You can agrue top to bottom maybe not the strongest, but they have fball teams in the bcs games and their mens bball teams do advance in the dance. Yeah they play each other and all that but it is still a strong confernce.

 

[mj4cy]

The funny thing is now its all about market power.....but in 5-10 years when everyone has access to any game, anywhere....it won't matter where in the heck you live anymore or who has bigger markets.

 

[Clones85']

To my knowledge, the B10 has always followed the revenue sharing model. The other conferences (B12) not the case and those that have the power (Texas) do not want the other schools to close the gap.

Simple as that.

I realize this. Here is my question. Why won't the president of the Big 12 make the change when he sees the potential for his conference to be pulled apart? Does Texas pretty much have him in his pocket? It is successful for the Big 10, why not do it for the Big 12? Who cares if Texas has to share a little, they will still have more money than anyone.

 

[Clones85']

As it pains me to write this, the B10 is not as bad in fb/bb as we think. You can agrue top to bottom maybe not the strongest, but they have fball teams in the bcs games and their mens bball teams do advance in the dance. Yeah they play each other and all that but it is still a strong confernce.

6th out of 6 BCS schools in bowl record the last 10 years. Only one national title in 10 years. Worst BCS bowl record as well in that time

Basketball they have had Michigan State and that is it. Haven't had much success in bball the last 10 years

 

[isuno1fan]

I realize this. Here is my question. Why won't the president of the Big 12 make the change when he sees the potential for his conference to be pulled apart? Does Texas pretty much have him in his pocket? It is successful for the Big 10, why not do it for the Big 12? Who cares if Texas has to share a little, they will still have more money than anyone.

Short answer again is yes.

 

[Tedcyclone]

Traditional Powers, TV sets, Big 10 network.. they were ahead of the marketing curve. Our conference did not care, because the conference TEXAS, makes bank, and doesnt care.

 

[Tedcyclone]

I realize this. Here is my question. Why won't the president of the Big 12 make the change when he sees the potential for his conference to be pulled apart? Does Texas pretty much have him in his pocket? It is successful for the Big 10, why not do it for the Big 12? Who cares if Texas has to share a little, they will still have more money than anyone.

a few theories... 1. he is friends with powers in the BIG 10, the guy who is now in charge of the PAC 10, the Big 12 is going away, and he and his budies will make bank. 2. Texas has all the power, and hasnt wanted to make a move yet. 3. he is a dipwad.

 

[dfwcy]

who hasn't been the best conference in football or basketball in YEARS have so much power? I know it's all about the money....so my question is how is that conference smarter than all the other conferences in getting money? I know they have a lot of viewers in there area to help get them on TV more. It just seems odd that a conference that probably ranks 4th in terms of success the last 10 years in football/basketball combined has so much power to completely change the way conferences are aligned.

Why don't other conferences see the success that the Big 10 is having financially and try to mirror what they do, rather than having teams leave to join them? Just think how successful they could be. They already beat up on the Big 10 on the field. If they improve financially they could beat them even more. I just don't get it, but I will be honest, I haven't paid any attention to the talks so far so my post could be idiotic. :wink:

Go easy on me fellow CF'ers

Big ten did pretty well this year in bowl games dont you think?

 

[ozhawk]

Wisconsin
Penn State
Minnesota
Ohio State
Michigan state
Minnestoa

Those universities Listed above are consistently in the top 10 student body enrollment of University campuses in the Nation. Their student bodies are enormous and they have a nationwide footprint...especially Penn State and Ohio State.

Look at the state representations in regards to population. Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio, MIchigan are ranked 5-6-7-8 in population for the entire country. Indaina is 14th and Minnesota is 18th...The only other state besides Texas is #2 Missouri is #17 Colorado is #24. The state of aside from OKlahoma iowa is next and our state splits two major conference schools.

The conference Footprint for fanbase in the big 12 resides In Texas.
The conference Footprint for fanbase in the Big 10 is somewhat broader.

Revenue sharing is done in the big 10
Revenue sharing is NOT done in the big 12 and I think if it was Texas would leave for $$ to a mega conference.


LINK IS HERE List of largest United States university campuses by enrollment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ddisu]

6th out of 6 BCS schools in bowl record the last 10 years. Only one national title in 10 years. Worst BCS bowl record as well in that time

Basketball they have had Michigan State and that is it. Haven't had much success in bball the last 10 years

Since 2001 they have had 4 teams in the title game, one was MSU. B12 has had 2, both KU. I am not arguing it is the best conference, just better than some seem to think it is.

 

[Clark]

6th out of 6 BCS schools in bowl record the last 10 years. Only one national title in 10 years. Worst BCS bowl record as well in that time

Basketball they have had Michigan State and that is it. Haven't had much success in bball the last 10 years

I'm not calling you a liar or anything but could you post those records?

I'm pretty sure they're behind the Pac 10, SEC and Big 12 but i'd be suprised if they were behind the Big East and ACC. Maybe the fact that both of those leagues are traditionally 1 bid leagues helps with the percentages but I'm pretty sure i could count on one hand the number of BCS bowl victories for both conferences combined...which is pretty sad since they regularly play eachother (so one team has to win)

 

[ozhawk]

Since 2001 they have had 4 teams in the title game, one was MSU. B12 has had 2, both KU. I am not arguing it is the best conference, just better than some seem to think it is.

Here s the cold reality

There are more human beings on this planet that are classified as Big 10 fans than Big 12 fans.

Based on the size of the universities and the populations of the states involved I would guess that the size difference is very significant. If you pooled all of the big 12 TV sets into one room a very sizeable chunk would be from Texas.