How Does Brock Purdy Compare?

[FinalFourCy]

I'd be curious to know which of those guys you feel improved. Meyer and Arnaud both peaked as sophomores.

Did they peak as sophomores, or go through coaching changes? Neither had the expectations or profile of Purdy, but they improved. Richardson improved, despite the disfunction in coaching under Rhoads beating down on him.

It’s not exactly a great comparison to say Steele or Kempt didn’t improve. Juco’s that we barely knew. The same for Barnett and Grant, but even more, it was clear JB wasn’t a Big 12 level passer.

 

[CyCloned]

I like Seneca better than Sage, but they were both very good QBs. Purdy is really a little bit like both guys because he can run and is comfortable in the pocket or on the run. Completely unfair to compare him to anyone after one game against a bad defense. Still really excited to see what he and the team can do tomorrow.

 

[SeaClone]

Did they peak as sophomores, or go through coaching changes? Neither had the expectations or profile of Purdy, but they improved. Richardson improved, despite the disfunction in coaching under Rhoads beating down on him.

It’s not exactly a great comparison to say Steele or Kempt didn’t improve. Juco’s that we barely knew. The same for Barnett and Grant, but even more, it was clear JB wasn’t a Big 12 level passer.

Arnaud and Meyer both peaked as Sophomores. There was no appreciable improvement, and actually demonstrable regression for both by statistical standard.

It doesn’t matter how long the others were here. The question is whether they improved while they were here. We had Steele for two years and he didn’t get better from year one to year two. He peaked in the Iowa game his first year. I’d challenge you to name one QB we’ve had in the last 15 years with starting experience across at least two seasons that didn’t peak before his last season.

 

[hoosman]

Arnaud was injured his senior year. Meyer is by far the all time statistical leader. I would give them a pass. From half 1 to half 2, OSU made the adjustment to shut down the option keeper. I would not bank on that being unstoppable going forward. Also, Purdy is pushing his luck regarding injuries. KSU uses the read option and goes through 3 QBs in a season due to injuries.

 

[Stormin]

I like Seneca better than Sage, but they were both very good QBs. Purdy is really a little bit like both guys because he can run and is comfortable in the pocket or on the run. Completely unfair to compare him to anyone after one game against a bad defense. Still really excited to see what he and the team can do tomorrow.

If Purdy had not played against Okie State, we would have scored about 17 points maybe. Then we would have been talking about Okie State’s good defense.

Purdy made great throws against some very good coverage. Purdy is the difference. No way we win that game without the play of Purdy. Purdy played great. Our Offensive highlights after the first 5 games are almost all plays by Purdy. And he has played basically one game. Our offense has been terrible the first four games.

Okie State defense looked pretty good against Iowa State for the first 2 Cyclone possessions.

 

[CyCloned]

If Purdy had not played against Okie State, we would have scored about 17 points maybe. Then we would have been talking about Okie State’s good defense.

Purdy made great throws against some very good coverage. Purdy is the difference. No way we win that game without the play of Purdy. Purdy played great. Our Offensive highlights after the first 5 games are almost all plays by Purdy. And he has played basically one game. Our offense has been terrible the first four games.

Okie State defense looked pretty good against Iowa State for the first 2 Cyclone possessions.

Purdy played a great game, but the OSU defense is bad. They have been lit up by more teams than just ISU.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Purdy is good. Any of you fools arguing based on history are lame. It's a different person, just because other's repeated doesn't mean there is any correlation to his progression. He will only get better. Bank on it.

 

[DarkStar]

Right now I would put him up there with Marvelous Marv Seiler. He has to show us he is more than just a one hit wonder coming off the bench. No matter how epic that one game performance was.

He pulls off two top six wins against WV and UT and a bowl victory this year, then I will put him up there with Kyle Kempt.

After a few years he starts getting NFL draft discussions, Heisman discussions, and top 10 rankings then I will put him up their with Sage and Seneca.

He leads us to a Big 12 Championship then I will put him up there with the Davis brothers.

He leads us to a BCS level bowl victory then we will be comparing all other ISU football players to him for decades to come.

We are ISU. Everything has to be earned.

 

[Stormin]

Purdy played a great game, but the OSU defense is bad. They have been lit up by more teams than just ISU.

TCU and Iowa have good defenses. We showed NOTHING against them. The other teams we played had bad defenses. And we still showed little offense.

Purdy has a 1 game sample. But what a difference. Bad snap. Purdy plucks it with one hand and there isn’t even lost timing on the play. The decisions and the multitude of possible offensive threats are maximized by Purdy. Purdy is different. It is evident from team reaction. The team KNOWS that Purdy is the guy. Confidence shows.

Texas Tech scored 41 against Okie State. Texas Tech is well known for their offense. Who else lit up Okie State besides us and Texas Tech?

 

[Stormin]

Right now I would put him up there with Marvelous Marc Seiler. He has to show us he is more than just a one hit wonder coming off the bench. No matter how epic that one game performance was.

He pulls off two top six wins against WV and UT and a bowl victory this year, then I will put him up there with Kyle Kempt.

After a few years he starts getting NFL draft discussions, Heisman discussions, and top 10 rankings then I will put him up their with Sage and Seneca.

He leads us to a Big 12 Championship then I will put him up there with the Davis brothers.

He leads us to a BCS level bowl victory then we will be comparing all other ISU football players to him for decades to come.

We are ISU. Everything has to be earned.

Marv. Marv Seiler. Not Marc.

Love Sage. But Sage was never in any Heisman discussions. And the 2000 Iowa State team that won 9 games played a very weak schedule. No Texas. No Oklahoma. No Texas Tech. Played only two teams in the Top 25 that year. Blown out in both games. Not even close.

And Seneca laid an egg the last half of his senior season. Connecticut loss was embarrassing.

 

[madguy30]

I am all in on BP. But...

Sunshine Sammy Richardson threw 4 TDs in his first game IIRC. He wasn't a bad QB in the overall scheme of the universe, but neither was he Sage or Seneca.

So let's be excited about BP, but pump the brakes all the same.

I'd like to think the goal for the team is to have the entire offense develop so it's not relying solely on one player. That would only help Purdy further...hope it happens today.

 

[brianhos]

1 game guys 1 game... pump the breaks a bit.

 

[clonedude]

I'm not blaming anyone for getting all excited about Brock Purdy, that's a natural reaction after a kid comes out and has the kind of performance that he did last Saturday.

But we do all need to pump the brakes a bit. It was ONE game, that's it. It's not likely he will repeat what he did last Saturday in tonight's game. But unfortunately I feel like there is a small group of people out there that are expecting that, and that isn't right. It's not fair to Brock.

Let's say he goes out tonight and has an average night and throws for something like 270 yds with 2 TDs and 2 INT's.... and ISU loses by 10 pts. What will be the opinion on here tomorrow of Brock Purdy?

Hopefully people will understand that the kid is a true freshman and was playing high school at this time last year and there's going to be some ups and downs.... and we're going up against the #6 team in the country too by the way. That's what I'm hoping the reaction will be. But I'm fearing there will be a decent number of people on here wanting Re-al Mitchell to get a shot next week, or praying that Kempt is ready to go next week, etc.

This overreaction after just one game has disappointment written all over it because there's some segment of fans out there that will be expecting the same magic we saw last week every week, and that's not realistic at all.

 

[madguy30]

If Purdy had not played against Okie State, we would have scored about 17 points maybe. Then we would have been talking about Okie State’s good defense.

Purdy made great throws against some very good coverage. Purdy is the difference. No way we win that game without the play of Purdy. Purdy played great. Our Offensive highlights after the first 5 games are almost all plays by Purdy. And he has played basically one game. Our offense has been terrible the first four games.

Okie State defense looked pretty good against Iowa State for the first 2 Cyclone possessions.

In the 2nd half both defenses were playing some real physical and disciplined defense.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Purdy is good. Any of you fools arguing based on history are lame. It's a different person, just because other's repeated doesn't mean there is any correlation to his progression. He will only get better. Bank on it.

Yep
It makes no sense to compare him to guys like Tiller. The most valid comparison is Richardson and he improved despite Rhoads and company. Richardson was a lot better than many appreciate.

Saying guys that played less than two seasons didn’t improve is poor form.

 

[Bewilderme]

I saw a little Baker Mayfield in his game. Obviously one game, but that first toss on the run to Butler was classic Mayfield.

 

[Cycsk]

Purdy is from Perry HS (AZ) and Campbell is from Perry HS (OH)! Just a coincidence?

 

[Stormin]

I'm not blaming anyone for getting all excited about Brock Purdy, that's a natural reaction after a kid comes out and has the kind of performance that he did last Saturday.

But we do all need to pump the brakes a bit. It was ONE game, that's it. It's not likely he will repeat what he did last Saturday in tonight's game. But unfortunately I feel like there is a small group of people out there that are expecting that, and that isn't right. It's not fair to Brock.

Let's say he goes out tonight and has an average night and throws for something like 270 yds with 2 TDs and 2 INT's.... and ISU loses by 10 pts. What will be the opinion on here tomorrow of Brock Purdy?

Hopefully people will understand that the kid is a true freshman and was playing high school at this time last year and there's going to be some ups and downs.... and we're going up against the #6 team in the country too by the way. That's what I'm hoping the reaction will be. But I'm fearing there will be a decent number of people on here wanting Re-al Mitchell to get a shot next week, or praying that Kempt is ready to go next week, etc.

This overreaction after just one game has disappointment written all over it because there's some segment of fans out there that will be expecting the same magic we saw last week every week, and that's not realistic at all.

Fully expect that Brock Purdy will have some lessons to learn. But we all saw the potential he has. Seneca and Sage had terrible games. Oklahoma absolutely shut down Seneca. Heisman Run was finished.

IMO this is a situation where what we saw last Saturday is what the team has been seeing all along. Brock Purdy forced Campbell to play him. And the only way he keeps playing is to keep performing. Iowa State was expected to lose anyway. Nothing to lose. Play the Kid. The potential is there. And with the experience from this year, I like the way things are looking for next year.

 

[CyCloned]

TCU and Iowa have good defenses. We showed NOTHING against them. The other teams we played had bad defenses. And we still showed little offense.

Purdy has a 1 game sample. But what a difference. Bad snap. Purdy plucks it with one hand and there isn’t even lost timing on the play. The decisions and the multitude of possible offensive threats are maximized by Purdy. Purdy is different. It is evident from team reaction. The team KNOWS that Purdy is the guy. Confidence shows.

Texas Tech scored 41 against Okie State. Texas Tech is well known for their offense. Who else lit up Okie State besides us and Texas Tech?

Hey, I really like Purdy, and he has shown a lot of skills that the other QBs just do not have, but it is only one game against a historically bad defensive team when they were not ready for a running QB. Just need a couple more games to see how he handles things before I'm convinced he is the answer to all of ISUs offensive problems.

 

[NorthCyd]

Have we had other QBs come out and have great performances on their debuts and then never quite seem to live up to the hype afterwards... Sure. But we never had anything like last week. A true freshman on the road against a top 25 (at the time) team in a place ISU has had very little success. We've never seen anything like that. It's the most promising debut we've ever seen at ISU from a qb.

Is it possible Purdy is a flash in the pan, sure. But it's also possible he will only improve from here. I can and will be super excited about his potential and if it doesn't pan out oh well, on to the next one. Everyone who's yelling pump the brakes are really just telling themselves to put their nutcups on because they have that same old ISU mentality. Quit the hand wringing and enjoy the ride.