How good was/is Bubu?

Incyte

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There hasn't been this much passion for an over-rated player since Lucca.
 

Scott34

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I guess I do not see the negatives in bringing Bubu back. Why so much Bubu hate?

Couldn't agree more. As someone stated in this same thread, Bubu has done nothing wrong and Leath is the one that is causing the issues we are having right now. Love how people wanna talk negative about someone but if they were put in that position they would be doing the same as Bubu.
 

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None of us on this board really know how good he is or isn't THIS YEAR. All we have is what he did in the past, and what we saw in CCL.

If anything, hopefully he can at least provide a few minutes to fill in for Morris or Kane. This may allow CFH to use Kane even more as a post-up player, and Kane can spend fewer minutes at the point. This could help to create more mismatches and could help with the rebounding, which seems to be a slight problem now that ISU is playing Big 12 games.

I don't see Bubu as a great addition to the shooting guard position, unless somehow he has managed to improve his shooting ability from deep over the last year. There were some indications of that in the CCL, but then it was just the CCL.

If nothing else, he may help out in some defensive situations. I think if Fred can see a use for him, and believes he can make a contribution to the team, he will be on the floor.

I think all this JP doesn't want him back is something of a ruse. It allows JP to appear to support Leath, yet I think Fred will be allowed to do whatever he wants with Bubu.

Interesting to see how many people are so willing to throw a player under the bus. A player who has not been proven to have done anything illegal, yet for some reason they still think he is guilty. Pretty sad.
 

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I guess I do not see the negatives in bringing Bubu back. Why so much Bubu hate?

Interesting isn't it? Many of the Bubu haters appear to be stuck in the past as "he's a walk on" appears in so many of their posts. They apparently can't face the facts that Bubu improved to the point Fred thought he deserved a scholarship, or that Bubu has played well at times and has Big XII and NCAA tournament experience.

Others think they're living in a communist country where a person is guilty if charged, regardless of the lack of evidence. For those, I ask: What if Scott Christopherson had been charged with sexual assault and the charges were dropped because the accuser lied and falsified evidence? I am willing to bet these judgmental types would have been the first to say Scott was the victim as he was falsely accused. Why would there be a difference in treatment of two players? I'm sure we can come up with reasons.
 

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Interesting isn't it? Many of the Bubu haters appear to be stuck in the past as "he's a walk on" appears in so many of their posts. They apparently can't face the facts that Bubu improved to the point Fred thought he deserved a scholarship, or that Bubu has played well at times and has Big XII and NCAA tournament experience.

Others think they're living in a communist country where a person is guilty if charged, regardless of the lack of evidence. For those, I ask: What if Scott Christopherson had been charged with sexual assault and the charges were dropped because the accuser lied and falsified evidence? I am willing to bet these judgmental types would have been the first to say Scott was the victim as he was falsely accused. Why would there be a difference in treatment of two players? I'm sure we can come up with reasons.

I'm not sure which side of the fence I fall on but I'm pretty sure that the "haters" are putting faith in the university's initial stance that he violated the student code of conduct. I don't think that's an outrageous way of thinking.
 

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Interesting isn't it? Many of the Bubu haters appear to be stuck in the past as "he's a walk on" appears in so many of their posts. They apparently can't face the facts that Bubu improved to the point Fred thought he deserved a scholarship, or that Bubu has played well at times and has Big XII and NCAA tournament experience.

Others think they're living in a communist country where a person is guilty if charged, regardless of the lack of evidence. For those, I ask: What if Scott Christopherson had been charged with sexual assault and the charges were dropped because the accuser lied and falsified evidence? I am willing to bet these judgmental types would have been the first to say Scott was the victim as he was falsely accused. Why would there be a difference in treatment of two players? I'm sure we can come up with reasons.

Very well said. I find it quite frustrating that people just want Bubu to lay down and not fight for himself because he's a "walk on". Last I checked, every person is created equal and Bubu has the same right to be on this team as any scholly because he has done nothing wrong.
 
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I'm not sure which side of the fence I fall on but I'm pretty sure that the "haters" are putting faith in the university's initial stance that he violated the student code of conduct. I don't think that's an outrageous way of thinking.

Serious question here, what student code of conduct was it that he allegedly broke?
 

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Interesting isn't it? Many of the Bubu haters appear to be stuck in the past as "he's a walk on" appears in so many of their posts. They apparently can't face the facts that Bubu improved to the point Fred thought he deserved a scholarship, or that Bubu has played well at times and has Big XII and NCAA tournament experience.

Others think they're living in a communist country where a person is guilty if charged, regardless of the lack of evidence. For those, I ask: What if Scott Christopherson had been charged with sexual assault and the charges were dropped because the accuser lied and falsified evidence? I am willing to bet these judgmental types would have been the first to say Scott was the victim as he was falsely accused. Why would there be a difference in treatment of two players? I'm sure we can come up with reasons.

I don't disagree with you, but I believe a reason why some are so behind Bubu is because he grew up in Ames. If this happened to say Nader or McKay in the offseason, would people be 100% behind them or would they be more willing to just "move on"
 

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Serious question here, what student code of conduct was it that he allegedly broke?

I haven't followed this closely enough to know and am not sure if they made that public. I do know that the Office of Judicial Affairs tries to keep things close to the vest unless they absolutely have to make something public.
 

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Have you guys noticed how much the team has backed Bubu? They were all ecstatic if you couldn't tell on social media. I could care less if Bubu gets playing time or if he just cheers on his team from the bench and helps in practice. The players love Bubu, he is their brother and i think this will bring the team together even more and bring a new spark and fire to the team after a couple of let downs the last 2 games. The biggest thing with a team is camaraderie and thinking of the team as family. These guys will be stronger because of this (if he plays) not weaker..
 

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I'm not sure which side of the fence I fall on but I'm pretty sure that the "haters" are putting faith in the university's initial stance that he violated the student code of conduct. I don't think that's an outrageous way of thinking.

But the University's initial stance was to let him play.. LAST YEAR!
 

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I'm not sure which side of the fence I fall on but I'm pretty sure that the "haters" are putting faith in the university's initial stance that he violated the student code of conduct. I don't think that's an outrageous way of thinking.
But that really wasn't the university's "initial" stance. Their initial stance was to suspend him from the team when the criminal charges were first filed. Their next stance was to immediately reinstate him to the team, and allow him to play 17 games the second those charges were dropped. They allowed him back on the team, even though the investigation into his alleged violation of the Student Code was still ongoing.
 

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I haven't followed this closely enough to know and am not sure if they made that public. I do know that the Office of Judicial Affairs tries to keep things close to the vest unless they absolutely have to make something public.

How much worse of a PR nightmare does it need to be to make it public?
 

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I think most people hope this will allow Kane to move to the 2, allowing monte to start. We still have a back up at pg, in bubu, and we have an offensive weapon at a place we haven't all year with Kane playing sg.
 

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I haven't followed this closely enough to know and am not sure if they made that public. I do know that the Office of Judicial Affairs tries to keep things close to the vest unless they absolutely have to make something public.


Couldn't Bubu himself disclose the specific alleged violation of the Student Code? Perhaps he doesn't want to do so because it would still make him look bad for doing something he doesn't want to make even more public, even if it wasn't bad enough to be considered a violation of the Student Code according to the other judge who made the initial ruling months ago.
 

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