I only have two problems and both are easily fixed

CyCloned

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There have been too many really bad turnovers, but there have been a lot from White throwing a great pass that someone didn't handle.

As far as shot selection, Missoui was playing great defense and sometimes the best shot is the first one. I don't have a problem with a quick shot as long as it is a open one, unless ISU has a huge lead and needs to use up the clock. A lot of times teams will pass the ball around for 30 seconds and then have to throw up a bad shot.
 

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That's at least six points, the difference in the game, you moron. I also don't remember Missouri throwing the ball out of bounds with no defender around. Or throwing passes at someone's feet. Those are the turnovers I'm talking about. They also shot 55% vs. 39% for us. Did you even watch the game or are you just ignorant?
It is only six points if you average 2 point per possession
 

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Jesus we lost. Thats it, done. I am sure Royce feels like man there were a couple of passes I shouldnt have thrown, you could say that about every possession that doesnt work out correctly. The last thing I want is Royce White second guessing his passes because some of them zip through traffic and become some of the prettiest passes I have ever seen. I am sure Scottie wishes he wouldnt have shot the ball so much last night because he missed. 2 solutions and they are going to be easily implimented.

1. Royce cant pass because he MIGHT turn it over
2. Scottie cant shoot because he might miss.

There that was easy. problem fixed. Hold on a second Fred is calling me, needs me to get to Ames right away.
 

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Jesus we lost. Thats it, done. I am sure Royce feels like man there were a couple of passes I shouldnt have thrown, you could say that about every possession that doesnt work out correctly. The last thing I want is Royce White second guessing his passes because some of them zip through traffic and become some of the prettiest passes I have ever seen. I am sure Scottie wishes he wouldnt have shot the ball so much last night because he missed. 2 solutions and they are going to be easily implimented.

1. Royce cant pass because he MIGHT turn it over
2. Scottie cant shoot because he might miss.

There that was easy. problem fixed. Hold on a second Fred is calling me, needs me to get to Ames right away.

Calm down, Judy. There are enough overdramatic princesses on this board. Royce himself said he turned the ball over too much last night. CW wrote about it in his column on here. It's a problem. Hoiberg has said as much. And I've never said Royce is the only one contributing to the problem. Same with the shot selection. And for the record, I rarely see SC take a bad shot. I didn't last night, either.
 

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I love Bubu, but the teams seem s a little out of sync when he gets in there IMO. I'd rather McGee get his minutes.

I think he got more PT last night than he would normally because of the early foul trouble by Allen and Babb. I like him and McGee, I just don't really like them on the floor at the same time. I know Bubu is the guy everyone loves to hate around here but the team didn't lose any ground when he was in there and he didn't make any mistakes other guys didn't.
 

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Calm down, Judy. There are enough overdramatic princesses on this board. Royce himself said he turned the ball over too much last night. CW wrote about it in his column on here. It's a problem. Hoiberg has said as much. And I've never said Royce is the only one contributing to the problem. Same with the shot selection. And for the record, I rarely see SC take a bad shot. I didn't last night, either.
I know he turned it over last night way too much thats a given. Unfortunately this team plays loose so that is what you are gonna get, Mizzou has turned everyone over this year that is what they do. I just hate (maybe not you), how everyone looking from their TV screen at home has an answer for how things should go in a game that moves at a blindingly fast pace with athletes that really are exceptional.

I prefer playing loose than playing tight like during hte McDoormat years. I am just happy that Fred has righted the ship and then some. I only regret that Jamie didnt hire him instead of McDoormat because we might be contending for a title this year, 6 years into Fred's tenure.
 

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Sorry dude if I went off. Missouri is the most efficient team in college basketball in terms of scoring. I just heard this today. They average nearly 1.5 points per possession...or something like that. Look at tonight's game. They were 1.2 ppp with only four 3pt (I would guess their lowest total this year) compared to .86 for us. That's a direct correlation to shot selection and turnover rate in combination.

Put the numbers aside. I can tell you what I saw. I saw some very questionable shots for us that MU didn't take. I'd also like to see the tennis comparable to unforced turnovers. I don't remember MU just giving possessions away like we're prone to do and did tonight. Turnovers aren't all bad. If you're aggressive putting pressure on the defense, that's one thing. Unforced turnovers have hurt us. That's what I'm trying to say.

I can think of at least 4 questionable shots that Mizzouri threw up... Dixon had 2 18 footers with a guy in his face, early in the shot clock, fading away. He drained them. He also threw in a crap floater from 15 feet on the baseline when he had a guy slashing to the hoop. He canned it. Pressey drove to the lane completely out of control, lost the ball, could have dished it off for the pass but threw up an akward shot and it banked in.

We didn't make any of our "questionable" shots. Mizzou made theirs....
 

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I don't like some of the shot selections, especially ca's, but this is Orr basketball. Fred said he took something from each coach, this offense reminds me a lot of Johnny's. How times was thigpen getting ready to pull up once he crossed half court?

Johnny's motto was the only bad shot was the one not taken. We had the other style, McDermott. We will either complain about bad shots or no shots. Which do you prefer?
 

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I can think of at least 4 questionable shots that Mizzouri threw up... Dixon had 2 18 footers with a guy in his face, early in the shot clock, fading away. He drained them. He also threw in a crap floater from 15 feet on the baseline when he had a guy slashing to the hoop. He canned it. Pressey drove to the lane completely out of control, lost the ball, could have dished it off for the pass but threw up an akward shot and it banked in.

We didn't make any of our "questionable" shots. Mizzou made theirs....[/QUOTE

Can't argue anything there. However, we did miss 19 3's with many of those early in the shot clock. There were a number of times where we had a 5-6 point lead with the ball and chance to add to it. We put up quick 3's that led to easy transition buckets for them. MU has the worst defensive FG% in the B12 and we shot 39% and missed 41 shots.

I like our aggressiveness and the confidence we play with. If we can somehow reign it in just a little bit, and improve those 8-10 possessions, we will win the B12 tournament and make a deep run in the NCAA. Also help to get off the 8-9 seeding. :smile:
 

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Man you really must hate this guy. Your signature is really not that funny. The post was in the form of a question. I believe he made some great points, better to say what you believe then to say nothing at all.

I think he asked for it. RR was ridiculing someone for doing exactly what he did (right or wrong). When you do that someone should call you out on that.

Either it is okay for both of them to second guess FH or it isn't. If it is okay for RR to do it, then he should stop ridiculing someone else when he does exactly the same thing on the same day over the same game.
 

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I think he asked for it. RR was ridiculing someone for doing exactly what he did (right or wrong). When you do that someone should call you out on that.

Either it is okay for both of them to second guess FH or it isn't. If it is okay for RR to do it, then he should stop ridiculing someone else when he does exactly the same thing on the same day over the same game.

IdahoCyclone is RR's second account. You are pointing out RR's hypocrisy to RR himself.
 

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My problem is we always fall flat at some point in the game, and it's either at the beginning of halves, or its nearing the end. We never have "bad" stretches from the 15 - 7 minute mark. Either the first 3 minutes of the half is gonna suck, or the final 5 minutes is gonna suck.

I'll list three examples off the top of my head, but can list more if needed:

@Kansas - Bad ending to first half, bad ending to second half
vs. Missouri - Bad ending to first half and bad ending to second half
@ Missouri - Bad beginnning and bad ending to second half.

I realize runs are going to happen, but we can't let them happen so early or so late. There are exceptions (@ KSTATE) but typically when teams jump on you quickly, it's hard to get back up.
 

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exactly. Bubu should only be in during mop up time. i love the effort, but he doesnt bring much.

To be fair last night Bubu played better than Tyrus. 2 boards, a steal, an assist and hit a 3, I'll take that from the last guy in the rotation. Not to mention Tyrus took some bad shots.