If money was not an issue....

[BurgundyClone]

Nobody on this board is a big donor -and that's who matters. Most people on this board are on this board DURING the games, so they aren't even going. The people that matter are at the games, or donating. Attendance will NEVER be under 10,000 for the season again. Anyone who thinks we will have 4000 in the stands...

We fire him and we're starting all over again, again. Maybe we try patience, unlike every other knee-jerk reaction in society and sports today. It's worked out pretty well for most places that give a guy (Gasp!) 5-6 years to get it done. We have rallied around our football coach, and that will bleed into BB sales too, like it or not.

Everyone agrees he is a good person that does it the right way. Well maybe it takes good people that do it the right way a little longer. The college game is absolutely corrupt today. If you don't have assistants that have their hands into some of these AAU coaches, you're already playing for 4th or 5th place at best in the conference. We're not THAT far away from 6th or 7th -which is what we should be aiming for with our budget.

UNTIL people talk with their wallets and HELP- and not gripe with their anonymous fingers on mundane message boards, that's all we can aim for.

 

[Cydkar]

I have no doubt in my mind that Greg would have been dropped already. Thoughts?

Money is an issue in every hire at every school. Not a great question.

 

[CYKOFAN]

BurgundyClone-I've contributed (though not one of the huge donors) and been a football and basketball season ticketholder for 35 years. I go to all the games, and I imagine there are many on this board that also attend games. It's average fans that fill up the stands and are just as important if not more so than the big donors, so I have to disagree with you. Also you're bring up the "he's a great guy and doing it the right way" excuse we hear so often when a coach isn't getting it done on the scoreboard. Sorry, I don't buy that excuse either. Actually one could argue that Morgan was a better disciplinarian than Mac based on Mac's handling of the Mike Taylor and Chris Colvin situations.

 

[Ames]

BurgundyClone-I've contributed (though not one of the huge donors) and been a football and basketball season ticketholder for 35 years. I go to all the games, and I imagine there are many on this board that also attend games. It's average fans that fill up the stands and are just as important if not more so than the big donors, so I have to disagree with you. Also you're bring up the "he's a great guy and doing it the right way" excuse we hear so often when a coach isn't getting it done on the scoreboard. Sorry, I don't buy that excuse either. Actually one could argue that Morgan was a better disciplinarian than Mac based on Mac's handling of the Mike Taylor and Chris Colvin situations.

You won't find anyone who had any level of inside access agreeing with that. It's actually laughable. It's like literally no organization or rules versus extremely structured.

 

[aauummm]

This poll is worthless.

I'm going to start a poll that states: "If money were not an issue, should Jake Trice's south end zone be bowled in?"

Good one!!:yes:

 

[aauummm]

Lastly, not sure why but I think Greg will be a better coach w/o Brackins.

I'm kind of thinking the same thing. Nothing against Craig, but when he's in there it disrupts the team chemistry. The team is trying to get the ball to him and of course the other team is aware of that and compensates. I realize that we use Craig as a decoy sometimes, but even that doesn't seem to work for very long.

 

[aauummm]

Nobody on this board is a big donor -and that's who matters. Most people on this board are on this board DURING the games, so they aren't even going. The people that matter are at the games, or donating. Attendance will NEVER be under 10,000 for the season again. Anyone who thinks we will have 4000 in the stands...

We fire him and we're starting all over again, again. Maybe we try patience, unlike every other knee-jerk reaction in society and sports today. It's worked out pretty well for most places that give a guy (Gasp!) 5-6 years to get it done. We have rallied around our football coach, and that will bleed into BB sales too, like it or not.

Everyone agrees he is a good person that does it the right way. Well maybe it takes good people that do it the right way a little longer. The college game is absolutely corrupt today. If you don't have assistants that have their hands into some of these AAU coaches, you're already playing for 4th or 5th place at best in the conference. We're not THAT far away from 6th or 7th -which is what we should be aiming for with our budget.

UNTIL people talk with their wallets and HELP- and not gripe with their anonymous fingers on mundane message boards, that's all we can aim for.

Exactly right!!!:yes::notworthy:

 

[Wesley]

No. Do the math on lost seat revenue. JP thinks Mac can still get it done. JP think Mac is the guy for ISU. JP doenst want to have his guy yet again be the wrong guy.

Since he is coming back, I would make the WHOLE nonconference schedule creampuffs so that we have some momentum to win three conference games. If we are not going to a tournament, who cares whether they are creampuffs or not.

 

[Toasted40]

I don't see that fans coming in droves with another season of hope. There isn't a splashy hire for us to make. I think keeping Mac give us a better chance to compete next season than a new coach would. Those teams that turn it around in one year or two are very few and people think it's just takes a snap of the fingers to make it happen.

Next Year:

New Coach - Like your poll, won't be splashy because Money is an issue

Why do you think that we will be more competitive with less talent? Didn't this myth get debunked with Mike Taylor and Wesley Johnson?

People want to believe that we can win. They want to see evidence that the plan in place will lead to wins. This is not the case at the present time. That is the problem.

 

[BigBake]

Why do you think that we will be more competitive with less talent? Didn't this myth get debunked with Mike Taylor and Wesley Johnson?
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Better guard play. Give Colvin the keys and see what he can accomplish. With a better guard court and some serviceable inside play...yes...we end with a better record.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Better guard play. Give Colvin the keys and see what he can accomplish. With a better guard court and some serviceable inside play...yes...we end with a better record.

I agree.
What does losing the team's best player(s) suggest about the next season?
When ISU lost Stinson/Blalock (heck almost the entire team) did we get worse?
When ISU lost Taylor, the only Big 12 guard on the roster, ISU regressed slightly.
When ISU lost WJ, did we get worse?
Going back further, when ISU lost Vroman and Sullivan was next year's team worse?
What is a team's best player? Is it the leading scorer? Rebounder? MVP?
Teams lose valuable players (sometimes even the leading scorer or rebounded) yet that is not sufficient in predicting improvement or regression.

 

[BigBake]

I agree.
What does losing the team's best player(s) suggest about the next season?
When ISU lost Stinson/Blalock (heck almost the entire team) did we get worse?
When ISU lost Taylor, the only Big 12 guard on the roster, ISU regressed slightly.
When ISU lost WJ, did we get worse?
Going back further, when ISU lost Vroman and Sullivan was next year's team worse?
What is a team's best player? Is it the leading scorer? Rebounder? MVP?
Teams lose valuable players (sometimes even the leading scorer or rebounded) yet that is not sufficient in predicting improvement or regression.

A leading scorer is always replaced with another leading scorer.

 

[Toasted40]

Better guard play. Give Colvin the keys and see what he can accomplish. With a better guard court and some serviceable inside play...yes...we end with a better record.

Colvin is so out of control that for every play he makes, he misses three. Plus he can't shoot. People play off of him, and he can't get to the rim. I don't see it yet. Maybe he will get better, maybe he won't.

The only way they end up with a better record is if they play a worse non conference schedule than they played two years ago (which I am sure that Mac will do), and next year's Big 12 becomes this year's PAC 10.

But I am sure that you are right, less talent, on the fourth least talented team in the league, is the recipe that I am sure will bring success.:wideeyed:

 

[BigBake]

Colvin is so out of control that for every play he makes, he misses three. Plus he can't shoot. People play off of him, and he can't get to the rim. I don't see it yet. Maybe he will get better, maybe he won't.
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Colvin = Freshmen

I was very impressed with his progress this year. Mistakes yes, but I strongly feel you throw him the keys (cause you ain't got nothing to lose) and he excels.

Did you really just say he can't get to the rim? Did you watch any games this year?

 

[StLouisClone]

Greg, please step down. Otherwise, things will be 10X worse next season. You don't want to have to resign in the middle of next season like many lame duck coaches have in the past.

 

[Toasted40]

Colvin = Freshmen

I was very impressed with his progress this year. Mistakes yes, but I strongly feel you throw him the keys (cause you ain't got nothing to lose) and he excels.

Did you really just say he can't get to the rim? Did you watch any games this year?

Other than a couple minutes against Nebraska, Colvin hasn't been playing well the last 4-5 games. He isn't even in at the end of games any more.

I missed a word in the second part, I said that he can't shoot from outside, and next year people WILL (the word I missed) lay off him, and since we don't move without the ball or screen well, that will make it really hard for him to get to the hoop.

It will be a victory if he even comes back. So if that happens, we should just be happy.

 

[Toasted40]

Colvin = Freshmen

I was very impressed with his progress this year. Mistakes yes, but I strongly feel you throw him the keys (cause you ain't got nothing to lose) and he excels.

Did you really just say he can't get to the rim? Did you watch any games this year?

Well at least you are using a player that is here as a reason that it might get better.

Most of your brethren can only use recruits as a reason that all will become well.

Of course it never happens, so they have to find the next recruit that will be the one. If Greg is here long enough, we could have 10 different saviours of the program. We are down to only needing four.

 

[URBCLONE]

GMAC is a good Coach Pollard knows it and is giving him 2 more years to get it done. He is very close 12 losses within 5 points in big twelve games during last possesions. Lucca screwed us and our 3 point shooting things will get better.

NO. This season was lost when ISU lost to NW, UNI, and California. We all knew it at the time. This season mirrors the other three years of this regime. A handful of close losses to good teams ie. moral victories is all that ISU has to show. Losing Lucca really didn't alter the overall direction the program has been heading in since GM took over.

 

[Frak]

So you're saying we were just a 5 point play away from tying a few games late? Those are all practically wins then. That changes everything. Let's get him extended through 2025. Two years isn't going to do it. Everybody knows it takes a good 10-12 years to truly build a Big 12 program.

I know McD supporters are sick of seeing him bashed but this Chip Diller "Remain calm. All is well" bit isn't any more warranted. Nobody wants to see a good guy like McD fired but he's not getting the job done and there's a lot more evidence to support his failure than there is his future success. If he gets two more years we're going to be down to the players' parent and grandparents in the stands.

I wouldn't feel ad for GMac. If he gets canned, he's going to have a huge payday to basically do nothing. I'd almost bet that he WANTS fired because he knows it's not going to work. But he'd be dumb to quit.

 

[Frak]

NO. This season was lost when ISU lost to NW, UNI, and California. We all knew it at the time. This season mirrors the other three years of this regime. A handful of close losses to good teams ie. moral victories is all that ISU has to show. Losing Lucca really didn't alter the overall direction the program has been heading in since GM took over.

I agree. Those NW and UNI games were the killer. The Kool-Aide drinkers were blasting people who were acting like it was the end of the season. Well, it WAS. The team was exposed vs NW, UNI, Cal and Duke. Many of us saw it. It wasn't going to matter at that point if we had Lucca, Boozer and JVB. Those guys would have gotten us 1-2 more wins at most.