INSIDER: Some nuggets in the RB position/future at QB

Cyinthenorth

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I just don't know about the QB rotation anymore. My fear is that they've become too predictable, you put Lanning in once you're down and goal and you can just stack the box and tee off on a weak o line. Parks in? It's a pass or something up the middle. Too simple to figure out and exploit
 

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Yes, how dare someone come to an opinion forum with an opinion.

I can guarantee that half of the people on this thread could have called a better sequence of plays on the goal line yesterday, oh nevermind, they aren't "coaches."

Half the people could have called a better sequence AFTER the play. The last play was a perfect call but Park failed to execute. It kills me how people can say "I would have called that differently" after the play. Isn't hindsight grand? Reminds me of the Peyton Manning commercial a few years ago.
 

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My thought on Warren is that the OL was actually much better last year (yes, I know it is hard to believe) and they were able to create some creases for him. This year, not so much. Montgomery is just a bigger back, and seems to be able to make a hole, while Warren is doing a lot of juking trying to make something out of the poor blocking. The pass drops and fumbles don't help a lot.

The reality of the situation is no one is getting a lot of carries, because of the poor blocking way more than the abilities of the running backs. In addition it appears teams are really keying on the running backs in the zone read because they know that even if Lanning gets a few yards they can punish him and run him down.

Quoting If Lanning Gets a Few Yards..........I Agree with that sentiment, Our OL is so bad that NO running back could make much in the way of yards

Its going to take a long time to get an OL that is big 12 caliber ....I hope this fanbase is patient, because they are going to need it, there is just NO short cut to rebuilding the OL and DL..It just takes Time
 

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Any ego inflation would be directly related to the way the new staff treated him last winter and spring. And they sort of had to treat him like a star because of how low the talent pool was.
Even the mannequin they use to show the jersey combos is #2.
 

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Honestly I am not buying that Montgomery is a better option. I can only judge based on what I see, and what I see in games is a back in Montgomery that can give you 4-10 yards, with 10 the ceiling. In Warren, I see just as much capability between the tackles with the ability to turn a 10 yard play into a 30-40 yard TD.

Everyone here may be drinking the Kool Aid but outside of somewhat better recruiting, this staff has not done anything here. Honestly, if we go by ISU track records Warren has done far more at ISU than the Campbell staff. Completely abandoning the run in the OkSt game in the second half was not a Montgomery beating out Warren thing. It was CMC not trying to shorten the game, for whatever reason. He had only a couple good offensive weapons returning for his first year, and has uses one almost exclusively in Lazard, and lets the other one wither in a RB rotation.

Like I said, I have no idea how Warren practices but I do know how he plays. If Montgomery were better why wouldn't we try to give him 20 carries a game? Right now we don't look like a run first offense. We have line issues, but I have still seen decent production when they receive touches so that is not all of it.

Is Montgomery setting the world on fire? Definitely not. You bench 1,000 yard backs when Christian McCaffrey sets foot on campus. Not for a back getting 30 yards a game. There is something else here.
 

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Honestly I am not buying that Montgomery is a better option. I can only judge based on what I see, and what I see in games is a back in Montgomery that can give you 4-10 yards, with 10 the ceiling. In Warren, I see just as much capability between the tackles with the ability to turn a 10 yard play into a 30-40 yard TD.

Everyone here may be drinking the Kool Aid but outside of somewhat better recruiting, this staff has not done anything here. Honestly, if we go by ISU track records Warren has done far more at ISU than the Campbell staff. Completely abandoning the run in the OkSt game in the second half was not a Montgomery beating out Warren thing. It was CMC not trying to shorten the game, for whatever reason. He had only a couple good offensive weapons returning for his first year, and has uses one almost exclusively in Lazard, and lets the other one wither in a RB rotation.

Like I said, I have no idea how Warren practices but I do know how he plays. If Montgomery were better why wouldn't we try to give him 20 carries a game? Right now we don't look like a run first offense. We have line issues, but I have still seen decent production when they receive touches so that is not all of it.

Is Montgomery setting the world on fire? Definitely not. You bench 1,000 yard backs when Christian McCaffrey sets foot on campus. Not for a back getting 30 yards a game. There is something else here.

On the season, Montgomery's longest carry is 17 yards, Warrens is 20.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/66
 

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On the season, Montgomery's longest carry is 17 yards, Warrens is 20.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/66
I understand, but I am also using data from last year. Warren is a big play threat. Montgomery is not. Nwangu does not have the RB intangibles to compete for a spot at this point.

I am afraid Warren will transfer, and we will all get to see him succeed and be playing on Sundays. Then everyone can look back at these threads and be angry.
 

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IMO the staff is setting a precedent this year. You play and practice how the coaches expect you to or you don't get as much PT. They know they will be given plenty of slack this year due to the coaching change and molding the players into the type they want on the team (Attitude and Effort). That is why you are seeing walk-ons and former walk-ons getting PT over scholarship athletes.

I also believe they know a foundation of Attitude and Effort with competitive players will win the day, in the end. The competitive nature they are bringing into the program is something I love to see. In practice, it sounds like they are making everything they do have a winner and a loser. You need to have the drive to win, in every aspect, in every position, on every play.
 

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Im surprised how few of you are considering Montgomery's pass blocking vs Mike's.

Seems clear that in the passing game Montgomery is the favorite.
I do agree with him being a better blocker. But honestly this team will have to run first to win IMO. And I am pretty sure Campbell has spoken to that effect.
 

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I understand, but I am also using data from last year. Warren is a big play threat. Montgomery is not. Nwangu does not have the RB intangibles to compete for a spot at this point.

Data from last year being flawed due to running behind a serviceable OL.
 
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Mike Warren will transfer after this season. The coaches know it. Yeah, his mom is a helicopter parent.

Which, to me, is a bit ironic given that both she and her husband are career military. I understand that being a parent elicits emotion, but you'd think she'd have the understanding that her running interference is a very bad idea.
 
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Data from last year being flawed due to running behind a serviceable OL.
Yeah, exactly. Offensively this whole year is a wash. I don't see how we can accurately judge any offensive player. Except maybe if a RB is a better blocker and that is pretty sad if that is the major criteria for that position.
 
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I do agree with him being a better blocker. But honestly this team will have to run first to win IMO. And I am pretty sure Campbell has spoken to that effect.

I agree with you, that is and should be the blueprint for the future.

But this team, with this OL, cannot consistently run the ball to win games this season.
 
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Very surprised to hear about the possible work ethic issues with Warren. Seemed to be a pretty hard worker last year, plus he was raised in a military family. Any word on if he will transfer or just rumors at this point?
 

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Honestly I am not buying that Montgomery is a better option. I can only judge based on what I see, and what I see in games is a back in Montgomery that can give you 4-10 yards, with 10 the ceiling. In Warren, I see just as much capability between the tackles with the ability to turn a 10 yard play into a 30-40 yard TD.

Everyone here may be drinking the Kool Aid but outside of somewhat better recruiting, this staff has not done anything here. Honestly, if we go by ISU track records Warren has done far more at ISU than the Campbell staff. Completely abandoning the run in the OkSt game in the second half was not a Montgomery beating out Warren thing. It was CMC not trying to shorten the game, for whatever reason. He had only a couple good offensive weapons returning for his first year, and has uses one almost exclusively in Lazard, and lets the other one wither in a RB rotation.

Like I said, I have no idea how Warren practices but I do know how he plays. If Montgomery were better why wouldn't we try to give him 20 carries a game? Right now we don't look like a run first offense. We have line issues, but I have still seen decent production when they receive touches so that is not all of it.

Is Montgomery setting the world on fire? Definitely not. You bench 1,000 yard backs when Christian McCaffrey sets foot on campus. Not for a back getting 30 yards a game. There is something else here.


I like my backs to hang onto the football. And, if you get 4-10 yards every time you touch the ball, you'll get a first down at least every 3 plays. First downs > lost fumbles
 

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