CycloneErik
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They turned Mike Warren into a mannequin?!?
There's the problem. Everyone knows that mannequins can't dodge tacklers or hold a football.
Turn him back!
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There's the problem. Everyone knows that mannequins can't dodge tacklers or hold a football.
Turn him back!
Either here, or for lesser schools. Their choice.
I think they'll stay. They aren't the next David Carr and Ezekiel Eliot.
At times I was pretty sure we had a couple of mannequins playing defense against K-State. If we tackle that poorly against OU it will be a long night.
A coaching change wouldn't get me excited during the off season. Coaching consistency would. We haven't had much of that at all for quite some time, and that shows.
I like how they used Park and Lanning in this game, and I hope to see it continue. Park definitely opens up the passing game with a better arm, better reads and more consistency. Lanning opens up the running game with his ability to keep it or throw it. Our offensive line is improving, but still better at the passing game than opening up holes for the backs to run through, so Park probably has to be the main guy, with Lanning coming in situationally.
I disagree. Warren could play for a lot of teams and be a star, and Lanning may want to have the job to himself his final year. He might be able to be a grad transfer.
An opinion? Hardly. Fans here who claim they could do a better job of playcalling than the coaches are stating a foolish certainty. A couple of points that might be worth considering:
1 - In similar short red zone situations this fall, how many times have we seen Joel bulldoze his way into the end zone from the shotgun? How many times have we seen him fail to reach the end zone in such situations? Why in hell would you switch up what has worked so well previously?
No one can know that under center would have worked better. Joeldozer from the shotgun running full speed with momentum bulldozing into the line makes a lot of sense.
2 - Joel gave it two shots, didn't work because the stout KSU DLine stuffed us both times. Why do the same thing under center when Joel has no momentum and the chances are large that KSU DLinemen would again win the line of scrimmage?
Third play, Joel hands off on an inside counter to Montgomery, we had great blocking angles with the DLine taking a step to its left (terrific call imho) and we still couldn't get it in. In comes Park. TD was there to be had, he could have run it in but muffed a lob to an open Montgomery in the end zone. The coaches got us in position to score, they didn't muff the play. And you guys point your fingers at the coaches and call them stupid. Just wow.
YOU GUYS CANNOT KNOW THAT JOEL WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE BALL IN FROM UNDER CENTER! YOURS' IS SPECULATION ONLY! The KSU DLine proved that it was the key here, not Joel and our OLine.
I thought the coaches did a great job with game management yesterday. And I've got reasons for thinking so:
1 - After the first quarter, KSU was on pace to roll up 600 yards offense for the game; we were an ineffective team. Looked like we were in for an overwhelming beating, particularly when the score mounted to 31-10. Somehow, someway, the coaches brought our guys back from cliff's edge. By game's end, we amassed 100 more total yards than KSU. A monumental turnaround.
Savvy coaching, again imho, was responsible for the fiesty turnaround.
2 - When we kicked a field goal in the first half, I thought we might follow with an onside kick attempt. We didn't, and I didn't think about it further. To start the second half, down 17-3, we surprised everyone with a successful onside kick. Perfect surprise timing! We recovered not only the ball, but our ability to play hard and compete. Great, great coaching call.
3 - In the second half, we also saw a new tactic: Using both quarterbacks in the same series, Park with his arm in space (he rolled up 301 passing yards) and the Joeldozer in Red Zone-type situtations. Recall KSU's 150 yard first quarter performance? With this quarterback changeup, we rolled, outscoring KSU in the final half 16-0. In the 4th quarter KSU had, what, less than 10 yards offense? In the end, we created havoc, not only with Park's 300 yard passing day, but our 154 yards rushing was the most surrendered by KSU's defense in 2016 -- including Stanford and RB McCaffrey.
If you guys can't see it, you're as blind as your comments are nonsensical. But WAIT! I'm not done extolling the virtues of our coaches.
4 - It's 31-26 with not more than a couple of minutes remaining. Everybody, I mean everyone, knows an onside kick is coming. Yet, again, we do something that I have never, ever seen in a football game -- we kick the ball in an entirely different way. Two onside kick plays? Really?
The first onside kick was typical, but it caught KSU unaware. The second onside kick, you bet your butt KSU was aware, but we used a different tactic. Jeff Francis looped the ball a couple yards high, he trailed the ball and caught it on the second or third hop. Unfortunately, though he had room to latch onto the ball another yard down field, he caught it 1/2 yard shy of the necessary 10 yards it had to travel. Clearly, it was a practiced play, brilliant coaching to prepare two different style onside kicks.
Ryen's wide open TD drop with a Park pass; Park's muffed lob to Montgomery; Francis's failure to grab the onside kick. . . . The coaches had us in position to win this game.
From the end of 2015 to the beginning of the 2016 season, we lost a number of OLinemen and Linebackers who gave up the game to continuing injuries. Our greatest team weaknesses? OLine and Linebacking.
We are a program in transition with great weakness in the two key areas: OLine and DLine. What the hell do you all expect? Really?
We have an outstanding coaching staff. I'm looking at the Big Picture, where we'll be in a couple or three years after our guys have built up the roster with consecutive powerful recruiting classes.
Saturday's goalline disappointment rests on the shoulders of our players (the football gods love 'em!). Our coaches put on a fantastic performance against KSU. Can't you see it? Are you unable to look beyond the momentary troubles and see the larger picture.?
Can you not see the exciting future that awaits us?
(I dare someone to save this post and slap me in the face with it at the end of the 2018 season. Go on, I dare you.)
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This all day. A lot of Mike's 1300 yards last year were followed up by a turnover on his part. It would be interesting to see his "real yardage" if you took away any yards gained from drives that ended in a turnover of his, because at the end of the day none of those yards on that drive matter at that point.
I just can't understand the way some of you fans think. I just can't fathom it.
At the end of the game, we had amassed 100 more offensive yards than than KSU (Wildcats had 150 yards at the first quater mark, less than 15 yards in the fourth). Park had 301 passing yards, mostly in the second half with the alternating QB tactic.
ISU, with a critically weak OLine, mind you, rushed for 154 yards, the most KSU has surrendered in 2016 (including the Stanford game with McCaffrey).
You worry about the QB rotation becoming predictable? My God, man! Do you have some reason, given the coaches performance Saturday (their ability to rally the team by doing the unpredictable with the way they used the QBs and the two savvy onside kicks, and fine playcalling) that they won't once again change up to remain unpredictable?
I just can't fathom it. . . .
I'm not on board with Park yet. He seems like the classic backup QB. Talented, but not ready.
Admittedly I think of the few mistakes on Saturday and not his 300 yards ant 60% completion rate. Joel wasn't tearing it up either, I guess.
Warren's case is kinda sad as we all had high hopes for him. But Montgomery being that good is a good thing, right?
Admittedly I think of the few mistakes on Saturday and not his 300 yards ant 60% completion rate. Joel wasn't tearing it up either, I guess.
Warren's case is kinda sad as we all had high hopes for him. But Montgomery being that good is a good thing, right?
Warren's fumbling issues can be corrected with proper coaching, so I really doubt that our coaching staff has simply given up on him. His talent didn't just disappear. It seems to me that since our line is not opening up holes for him like last year, CMC is just going with a bigger back like Montgomery. Warren is a more dangerous big play threat, but he needs to get 2-3 yards of space so he can set up his cuts and fakes.
I hope all of this speculation about Warren is just speculation. I hate seeing this kid being so much of a topic lately. Our new coaching staff is trying to get pieces in place. Some moves have been good and others are still a work in progress. Losing someone of Mike's talent after a transition year would be a big loss, despite what many may think.
Regardless of what our record is now, I still feel a whole helluva lot more optimistic than I did at this time last season.
I hope all of this speculation about Warren is just speculation. I hate seeing this kid being so much of a topic lately. Our new coaching staff is trying to get pieces in place. Some moves have been good and others are still a work in progress. Losing someone of Mike's talent after a transition year would be a big loss, despite what many may think.
Regardless of what our record is now, I still feel a whole helluva lot more optimistic than I did at this time last season.
Still no one can answer why our genius coaches wasted over 2 minutes with 1st and goal at the one down by 14.
That bit of ****** coaching has nothing to do with the players.
That bit of ****** coaching has nothing to do with the players.
Yeah, I guess you're correct. The coaches' plan, rather than plunge Joel into the end zone as he's done so many times this season and score immediately, was to prolong the event for four plays to boost excitement for the fans and, in sporting fashion, give KSU a fair chance to stop us.
And then, as we faced 4th down, the coach called Park over and whispered, "We want to really make this an exciting play. Even though Montgomery will be wide open, and you'll have an open running path to the end zone, lob the ball so that Monty will have to make a tough grab. It'll look great on TV!"
Yeah, you're right, that makes sense.
I'd say the staff likes him as a run blocker as well, the last few games, it seems like DM is on the field more with Lanning, to provide better blocking on the designed QB runs that Joel has had success with. When they have played both QB's, you see Warren on the field with Park and Montgomery in the game with Lanning the majority of the time.
They tried running from the shotgun, at the goal line, against one of the nation's best running defenses multiple times.
Against most teams, they probably would've succeeded at attempt two or maybe three. Against KSt in particular? Yeah, probably not a great idea to depend on that traditional and very predictable play call in crunch time.
I'm not as mad about the plays not working as I am at wasting so much time in between. It was time to move fast not let 40 seconds go off each time.
The coaches clearly didn't care that 30 seconds went off the clock between all 4 plays. That's on them.
If Warren transferred to a D1, he'd have to sit out a year and lose a year of eligibility. He could go to a D2 school and play immediately.
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