Is McDermott's job security in danger

CYEATHAWK

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Blalock, Stinson, and Homan consistanly gave less than 100% during their three years under Wayne, only to turn it on for Kansas, Iowa, and other big-name schools.

I remember this explanation as to how a poorly coached team could win at Texas, KU etc..., they did it in SPITE of their coach. And speaking of playing big-name schools like "Iowa" and giving 100%....is that what you saw last friday?
 

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I can also tell you that a McDermott practice is head and shoulders better than a Wayne Morgan practice for teaching, instructing, and discipline...it's no comparison..

You've been to both practices? Because I have. I've seen Wayne Morgan spend hours teaching offensive sets, the zone defense and the secondary break.

I'm not saying Mac doesn't but to say heads and shoulders is incorrect.
 

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You've been to both practices? Because I have. I've seen Wayne Morgan spend hours teaching offensive sets, the zone defense and the secondary break.

I'm not saying Mac doesn't but to say heads and shoulders is incorrect.

Strange that they were never used in a game.
 
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If McDermott's guys aren't achieving at a higher level than Wayne's did as upperclassmen, I'll be very disappointed...when one questions the effort on a McDermott coached team, it's not even close to being the same as when one questions the effort on a Morgan coached team-and the lack of effort (which makes overachieving literally impossible) is what upset me the most about Morgan, and made me believe that regardless of talent brought in, we would never achieve up 2 our potential...his Long Beach State teams did the same thing...I will GLADLY eat my words and admit I was wrong if we don't see a large increase in wins next year with another year of conditioning for Garrett and Brackins, and the addition of Colvin and Gilstrap.

Where was the effort in the Iowa game? Mac himself didn't see it? Reason to fire him?

Morgan's teams, giving what you considered less then 100% are better then Mac's teams. Again this is because college basketball is 90% recruiting. If you are going to try to argue that GMac is better in that area we could compare the 18 NBA Players that Wayne Morgan recruited to the 0 that Mac has.
 

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Strange that they were never used in a game.

The secondary break is an offense. Just ask Roy Williams. Just because the teams didn't come down and hand the ball to a 5 foot 8 white point guard who held up a fist or tapped his head doesn't mean they weren't running an offense.

Iowa State fans hated the run and gun style and they hated the zone defense? Why I don't know. Because it is junk basketball as they call it? Guess what Junk basketball is basketball now. This isn't Milan, Indiana, we don't have Gary Thompson playing for us. Times have changed.
 

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The secondary break is an offense. Just ask Roy Williams. Just because the teams didn't come down and hand the ball to a 5 foot 8 white point guard who held up a fist or tapped his head doesn't mean they weren't running an offense.

Iowa State fans hated the run and gun style and they hated the zone defense? Why I don't know. Because it is junk basketball as they call it? Guess what Junk basketball is basketball now. This isn't Milan, Indiana, we don't have Gary Thompson playing for us. Times have changed.

Here is an idea.

Given what I know about economics and suppy and demand, it seems that considering the salaries that head basketball coaches are getting, that there is a demand for solid coaches out there.

Morgan installs satellite dishes.


Just sayin...
 

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Can the Morgan vs. Mac comparisons please stop? It's freaking annoying. Morgan and Danny Mac aren't coming back.
 

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Here is an idea.

Given what I know about economics and suppy and demand, it seems that considering the salaries that head basketball coaches are getting, that there is a demand for solid coaches out there.

Morgan installs satellite dishes.


Just sayin...

HE OWNS HIS OWN BUSINESS. Seems to me he's living the American Dream. Sets his own hours, spends time with his family. Isn't on the road three or four nights a week. Doesn't have to deal with people questioning every move he makes. All the while cashing checks from Iowa State University. Sounds like a pretty good deal.
 

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The secondary break is an offense. Just ask Roy Williams. Just because the teams didn't come down and hand the ball to a 5 foot 8 white point guard who held up a fist or tapped his head doesn't mean they weren't running an offense.

Iowa State fans hated the run and gun style and they hated the zone defense? Why I don't know. Because it is junk basketball as they call it? Guess what Junk basketball is basketball now. This isn't Milan, Indiana, we don't have Gary Thompson playing for us. Times have changed.

Your first point is spot on!

As for your second point, I believe ISU fans do like up-tempo BB. Just look at the average attendance figures under Orr, Floyd, Eustachy, and Morgan. Orr had great attendance (up-tempo). Attendance dropped under Floyd (slower tempo) even though we had some good teams. Attendance dropped even further under Eustachy (slower tempo) during a time that we had, arguably, the best team in school history. Then attendance improved under Morgan (up-tempo) again. I think ISU fans have voted with their attendance that they prefer up-tempo BB.
 

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HE OWNS HIS OWN BUSINESS. Seems to me he's living the American Dream. Sets his own hours, spends time with his family. Isn't on the road three or four nights a week. Doesn't have to deal with people questioning every move he makes. All the while cashing checks from Iowa State University. Sounds like a pretty good deal.


OHHHHH I get it. There are D1 schools banging down his door for him to come coach for them, he is just too busy living the dream.

Thanks for the clarification.
 

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Your first point is spot on!

As for your second point, I believe ISU fans do like up-tempo BB. Just look at the average attendance figures under Orr, Floyd, Eustachy, and Morgan. Orr had great attendance (up-tempo). Attendance dropped under Floyd (slower tempo) even though we had some good teams. Attendance dropped even further under Eustachy (slower tempo) during a time that we had, arguably, the best team in school history. Then attendance improved under Morgan (up-tempo) again. I think ISU fans have voted with their attendance that they prefer up-tempo BB.

I'm sorry I should have been more clear. The vocal majority of fans, those on here who rip Wayne Morgan for his style of play are the fans I was refering to. You are correct attendance was better with the uptemp style.
 

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OHHHHH I get it. There are D1 schools banging down his door for him to come coach for them, he is just too busy living the dream.

Thanks for the clarification.

You continue to take personel remarks about a man you don't know and have no idea what his career goals are because you can't counter points related to his performance at Iowa State.
 

HILLCYD

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You continue to take personel remarks about a man you don't know and have no idea what his career goals are because you can't counter points related to his performance at Iowa State.

You continue to talk about how great of a coach he is without seeing the OBVIOUS! HE AIN'T A COACH ANYWHERE MAN! No one wants him. You know why? Cuz IMO, he wasn't that great of a coach.

We can agree to disagree.
 

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You continue to talk about how great of a coach he is without seeing the OBVIOUS! HE AIN'T A COACH ANYWHERE MAN! No one wants him. You know why? Cuz IMO, he wasn't that great of a coach.

We can agree to disagree.

I know he's not a coach. My statement is that his record at Iowa State is better then Greg's and we fired him.

Again, I don't think you need to be that great of a COACH to win basketball games. If you give me 5 McD's all Americans and you give GMac our starting 5, I'm winning that game 9 times out of 10. It's about recruiting and right now we are bringing goats to the Kentucky Derby.

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I know he's not a coach. My statement is that his record at Iowa State is better then Greg's and we fired him.

Again, I don't think you need to be that great of a COACH to win basketball games. If you give me 5 McD's all Americans and you give GMac our starting 5, I'm winning that game 9 times out of 10. It's about recruiting and right now we are bringing goats to the Kentucky Derby.

goat-ears.jpg

Not even sure what to say to this.

Guess we should have hired you.
 

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You continue to talk about how great of a coach he is without seeing the OBVIOUS! HE AIN'T A COACH ANYWHERE MAN! No one wants him. You know why? Cuz IMO, he wasn't that great of a coach.

We can agree to disagree.

I gotta agree. if he was a good coach, he'd be coaching.
 

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I'm sorry I should have been more clear. The vocal majority of fans, those on here who rip Wayne Morgan for his style of play are the fans I was refering to. You are correct attendance was better with the uptemp style.

It wasn't his style of play, it was his lack of reeling in out of control, NBA seeking players who ran the team and would'nt give up the rock. He was the coach!!! Not Curtis and Will.

Can we close this thread until March?