Imo CM should be gone but that's not what the thread is about. Please read the OP.
Is there a reason NOT to fire
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Imo CM should be gone but that's not what the thread is about. Please read the OP.
This thread has almost petered out, so I'm sure this will get ignored, but I'm going to post it anyway. For everyone saying that the defense was just as bad as the offense, and Wally should be on the same hot seat as Mess, let me offer these numbers.
First 3 UNI drives: 21 plays, 229 yards, 10.9 yds/play, 21 points
Last 7 UNI drives: 40 plays, 234 yards, 5.85 yds/play, 7 points (does not include either end of half possession)
Meanwhile, here was the offensive side of the ball for us:
First 6 ISU drives: 59 plays, 362 yards, 6.1 yds/play, 17 points
Last 5 ISU drives: 21 plays, 28 yards, 1.3 yds/play, 3 points
Obviously the defense got hammered early, but they made some good adjustments and only allowed 7 points over the last 37 minutes or so. On the offensive side, the last 20 minutes of the game were simply abysmal. 28 yards in 5 possessions with the game on the line? We put together one solid drive in the entire 2nd half, and only got 3 points to show for it too.
Maybe Mess deserves to get fired, maybe not, I really don't know. The bottom line is there is something seriously wrong with our offense, and it needs to get fixed soon, or we're in for a very long season.
First 3 UNI drives: 21 plays, 229 yards, 10.9 yds/play, 21 points
Last 7 UNI drives: 40 plays, 234 yards, 5.85 yds/play, 7 points (does not include either end of half possession)
Meanwhile, here was the offensive side of the ball for us:
First 6 ISU drives: 59 plays, 362 yards, 6.1 yds/play, 17 points
Last 5 ISU drives: 21 plays, 28 yards, 1.3 yds/play, 3 points
Obviously the defense got hammered early, but they made some good adjustments and only allowed 7 points over the last 37 minutes or so. On the offensive side, the last 20 minutes of the game were simply abysmal. 28 yards in 5 possessions with the game on the line? We put together one solid drive in the entire 2nd half, and only got 3 points to show for it too.
Maybe Mess deserves to get fired, maybe not, I really don't know. The bottom line is there is something seriously wrong with our offense, and it needs to get fixed soon, or we're in for a very long season.
Of course, losing Farniok had absolutely nothing to do with that. I vote we just go ahead and make Messingham the scapegoat.
Do you really think the offense should become totally impotent against an FCS team due to the loss of one lineman? I can't even fathom somebody seriously suggesting such an argument.
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The lack of taking shots downfield...a horrific holdover from the Herman era, and one of the reasons I hoped for a complete house cleaning on the offensive side of the coaching staff after Herman left.
Yeah, tons of that that last 2 days - nobody mentions Bleil, Pope, or Sturdy; yeah, a little about Klenakis. Wonder how much authority Mess has over his offensive coaches and their job performance? Just a question.
Presumably a lot. If not it seems odd to refer to CM as Offensive Coordinator. I'll spare you the Miriam-Webster definition.
You could. Or you could recognize that CM is ultimately the one person responsible for the offense.
Honestly though, I didn't think the other positions played that badly. Offensive line had their issues, and no group played great, but our lack of offensive success came down to play calling when all was said and done. Even though Farniok was injured, Mess wasn't putting our offense consistently in a position to be successful.
You are referring to the 6 offensive TDs in the last 3 games. 2 per game is laughable. Especially when you look to see who we played.
Haven't read the whole thread, so maybe someone already noted this. But, calling for Sturdy or Klenakis... I'm not so sure.
First, if they were superstars, they'd still be OCs and not been demoted. Second, shouldn't they be busting their ***** to help Mess already as part of the offensive staff? Shouldn't their ideas already be in the plan?
I agree Mess has to go, he's proven his ineffectiveness to me. Just not so sure the either of the others are the answer.
First, if they were superstars, they'd still be OCs and not been demoted. Second, shouldn't they be busting their ***** to help Mess already as part of the offensive staff? Shouldn't their ideas already be in the plan?
I agree Mess has to go, he's proven his ineffectiveness to me. Just not so sure the either of the others are the answer.
Sturdy's was OC at Washington State and the whole staff was let go. Klenakis made the decision to leave his OC position at Nevada.
Also, the game plan hasn't been the problem. That's why it there have been several games where we've moved the well the first drives. After that we've stalled, making the problem a failure to adjust which is on the guy calling the plays. Our red zone play calling has also been poor, which is on nobody but Mess.
To be honest, as someone firmly in the "Fire Messingham" camp, I don't think he actually has control over who we have in on any specific play. That is up to the position coaches. Which, to me, is a huge problem. That might not matter at some positions but for RB and TE it matters a huge amount and Messingham not knowing that before he calls the play might be a not insignificant part of our problems. Our OC might not care who is in at left guard, but our OC should be able to call who is in at the skill positions when they call a play. Woody and Shontrelle both play RB, but you aren't going to call the same plays with one or the other of them in the game.
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I never understood the decision when it was made but even more so now. I'm not an X's and O's kind of guy so I won't say I have a clue who is more qualified or what adjustments could have been made but at this point enough is enough. We are going to get murdered if the best we can muster is 20 pts per game in Big XII play. I think he needs shown the door.
He does have control over numbers of personnel at each position though. Which gave away some plays. If we have in two running backs split to each side of Richardson and one of them is Woody, obviously we are running it with Woody as the lead blocker.
Because we have an OC who will never make the defense pay for making an assumption like that.
Maybe not. But do you see this offense winning one more game this season? Apart from the OP I'm asking...what's the difference?
Someone posted before that a change should only be a stop-gap anyway. ISU needs a professional OC.
The issues were not on the interior. The issues were with the tackles not being able to block a DE, plain and simply. They weren't off their targets or confused. They were not able to block the DEs. i'm not going to let them all off on "Well Farniok was hurt so..."
