Is this another "one and done" Kansas team?
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CycloneErik
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3 times in 10 trips for Self ended in the first weekend.
5 times, Self has led Kansas to the Elite Eight or beyond.
Not a traditional first weekend loss team with Self, at the very least.
Nope. I will cheer for any fball team outside conference besides TU and OU. Will cheer for any bball team except KU. Why? I hate the Big Bevo, and how horrible it appears they rig the conference for those schools. Trust me, they could care less how little ISU does, so I proudly return the favor.
It is in a way because they lose in the first round like once a decade, but there are lots of years where KU steamrolls through a Big 12 full of good teams, then struggles much more in the tournament. They have an incredible home court, but their home court travels with them during conference play more than any team I've ever seen. It doesn't help our conference perception come march. (not talking about last night's game, but the 2+ decades I've watched in general)
With KU I want them in the final four or I want UNI taking them down in round one. I get incredible enjoyment from the latter, but if they lose in the second or third round as a 1-2 seed it just makes the Big 12 look bad.
If KU keeps shooting perimeter jump shots the way they did last night, they will have a great shot at a title. They were 10-22 45.5% from three and 18-21 85.7% from the free throw line. If they can keep that up they are virtually unbeatable.
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Plus 2 of those 3 times were in Self's first 3 years. I still think this team is capable of getting upset because of point guard play but Tharpe is getting better every game.
I think you could make a case that most years KU loses in the tournament to teams that are better than the ones they play in the conference. At least those teams are playing better at that moment. In the last 7 years KU has lost to the team that ends up in the Championship game every year with the exception of the UNI game and the 08 team that didn't lose.
The Big12 looks bad anyhow. It is a joke how much the ku favoritism shows up on the court. I thought I disliked ku before, and then I lived in KC for a couple years. Holy cow. Combine the worst from Iowa, Nebraska football, and Ohio State fans, and that is about your average ku basketball fan. Seemingly decent people turn into raving lunatics when the subject of ku basketball comes up.
On a side note, odds are still against ku winning the NCAA tourney this year. How do we know? They don't have any fathers of players on staff as good luck charms.
I was more talking about they're a team who gets pushed hard by some 16-13 seed in the first round but goes on to win. It can't help in that first game (or the second round against a better team) that they're not getting the calls they got the last 20 games. "winning" a game they obviously deserved to lose last year in Ames is a favor to winning the Big 12 but not to building a tournament run.
There's no doubt that the official who called a foul on a player laying on his back at a time when most officials swallow their whistle was just a really bad official and should have been canned, but I don't see a link between that and NCAA tourney success. They're pretty much the same officials in the tourney. The good ones work all the big conferences and the tournament. If KU loses that game like they should have would that have made Trey Burke miss his shot? KU lost to Michigan last year because Johnson wasn't a very good point guard (and he had several bad conference games even with the officials) and he pretty much handed them the game in the final minute and even with him playing so bad it still took an unbelievable shot get it to OT. Didn't really have anything to do with officiating during the Big 12 season. Had they called a charge on Johnson in the ISU game would that suddenly make Johnson a better player? K-State didn't get good calls in the Big 12, so why did they lose first round as a Big 12 Champ? It really doesn't come down to officiating.
Is someone came up to you and said lets make a wager. If they get hammered in the second round , heck not even hammered if they lose in round 2 you would get paid you $1000, if they make it to the final 4, you would owe them $1500.
Would you do that bet?
I have lived all over and been to too many games and have never seen a following like they (KU) has. All the people I know who have gone there are some of the best fans I have ever scene and is always talked about even by the East Coaster bias. I was so embarrassed last year with the racial tweets directed Johnson after their game here. I know it only takes a couple bad apples like we had last year to make a group look bad. I have always enjoyed the experience and history of a visit to AFH and the passion the fans have. It is a special place. I must be old enough to appreciate it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H_OTWd4-bjU
If they are a #1 seed they'll get to the sweet sixteen but not much further. Less then a #1 seed and yes they could lose in the second round. They'll have to continue to shoot well to go far and I just don't see them doing that with the pressure of a high seed in a neutral court setting.
If the tournament starts tomorrow, I'm picking KU all the way as national champions. Don't care about matchups or who they play. They're playing the hardest schedule in the nation and playing it damned well.
I hate the living guts out of them, but that doesn't mean I don't respect their game and their talent.
I hate the living guts out of them, but that doesn't mean I don't respect their game and their talent.
Kansas is going far in the tourney. The stuff about Self paying people I saw is stupid too. He's not Scott Drew or Calipari either. He can coach and recruit well. Doesn't always mean national title, but I'm positive he's a clean recruiter
Here is why some of you are wrong ... KU folds without Big 12 officials ... And more importantly they play shoddy when facing same sized skill set people. A good Big 10 team will tear them apart on a neutral court just like Michigan did last year.
Who out of the Big 10 would beat Kansas? Their best teams proving to fold quite a bit. MSU maybe when they're healthy. Michigan looks solid, but they are still not last year's team. Not Wisconsin, not Iowa, certainly not OSU.
Michigan tore them apart? KU had that game and Johnson gave it away and it still took a 40' shot to put it in o.t. The year before KU beat tOSU twice, once on their floor and again in the Final Four. KU folds? They have more wins in the NCAA tourney over the last 10 years than any other team in the country. The last 7 years they have lost to the team that ended up in the championship game every year but 2. UNI beat them once and the other time KU won the NC. Your hatred to KU distorts reality.
