ISU Guard Play!!

[marothisu]

I agree with the general point. Good guardplay makes teams good.

But, Diante is third in the Big 12 in assiste/game. I don't think he's great, but they ask him to do an awful lot all things considered.

Yeah, but you don't really need to run the point to get a lot of assists technically. If you watch teams like Nova with good guards, you'll see Diante doesn't even compare. Those guys are tough and fast, diante has a few good moves but he's nowhere close to a PG. I wish Colvin was just a little better because he's way more of a true PG than Diante will ever be. Diante is too slow and he doesn't have good enough ball handling skills to lead a team in a tough conference.

He should honestly switch to the 2 like someone alluded to.

 

[deadeyededric]

Yeah, but you don't really need to run the point to get a lot of assists technically. If you watch teams like Nova with good guards, you'll see Diante doesn't even compare. Those guys are tough and fast, diante has a few good moves but he's nowhere close to a PG. I wish Colvin was just a little better because he's way more of a true PG than Diante will ever be. Diante is too slow and he doesn't have good enough ball handling skills to lead a team in a tough conference.

He should honestly switch to the 2 like someone alluded to.

I really don't know what Diante could bring to the 2. I'm kinda ready for him to be gone. Sorry if that upsets some of you.

 

[cy1010]

Yeah, but you don't really need to run the point to get a lot of assists technically. If you watch teams like Nova with good guards, you'll see Diante doesn't even compare. Those guys are tough and fast, diante has a few good moves but he's nowhere close to a PG. I wish Colvin was just a little better because he's way more of a true PG than Diante will ever be. Diante is too slow and he doesn't have good enough ball handling skills to lead a team in a tough conference.

He should honestly switch to the 2 like someone alluded to.

When Colvin and DG play together DG basically does play the 2. They're all interchangeable parts at that point. But he can't be a full time 2. I dont think you'd gain much in the long run.

Obviously assists don't define a PG. But you can't rag on him too much as a PG when he's averaging 5 assists per game. I mean, that is the general role of the PG. Run the offense and distribute.

 

[marothisu]

When Colvin and DG play together DG basically does play the 2. They're all interchangeable parts at that point. But he can't be a full time 2. I dont think you'd gain much in the long run.

Obviously assists don't define a PG. But you can't rag on him too much as a PG when he's averaging 5 assists per game. I mean, that is the general role of the PG. Run the offense and distribute.

Definitely I think his assists are great, but I don't think how he plays will produce much. When I watch him play, I don't automatically think PG, but when I watch other guys it's obvious what their role is.

Guard play is extremely important and having the right guy at the point helps. The quick, allusive guy who can pass, be crafty with the ball, oh...and shoot pretty well.

 

[cy1010]

Definitely I think his assists are great, but I don't think how he plays will produce much. When I watch him play, I don't automatically think PG, but when I watch other guys it's obvious what their role is.

Guard play is extremely important and having the right guy at the point helps. The quick, allusive guy who can pass, be crafty with the ball, oh...and shoot pretty well.

DG has similar shooting percentages to Collins, Balbay, and Clemente. The PGs of the tope three teams in the league (I think). And he averages more assists than all three of those guys. His problem is he averages more turnovers too.

I really don't think Diante is the problem. He's not awesome by any stretch, but there is no one to compliment him in the back court. It's all on him.

 

[marothisu]

DG has similar shooting percentages to Collins, Balbay, and Clemente. The PGs of the tope three teams in the league (I think). And he averages more assists than all three of those guys. His problem is he averages more turnovers too.

I really don't think Diante is the problem. He's not awesome by any stretch, but there is no one to compliment him in the back court. It's all on him.

Stats aside..I don't see him as a PG when I see him play. Like, when I think of a PG just watching them play, all stats aside. I think of the guy who's so quick he can make a first step and get to the basket, but can shoot a mid range jumper and the 3. What I mean about DG is I haven't seen too much of him beating a guy off the dribble (although he does do it sometimes) like a guy like Collins will do.

 

[cy1010]

Stats aside..I don't see him as a PG when I see him play. Like, when I think of a PG just watching them play, all stats aside. I think of the guy who's so quick he can make a first step and get to the basket, but can shoot a mid range jumper and the 3. What I mean about DG is I haven't seen too much of him beating a guy off the dribble (although he does do it sometimes) like a guy like Collins will do.

Yet he has more assists than Collins, and shoots about the same from the floor. They both shoot 42% from 2s and Collins shoots 37% from 3s while DG is 33%. One of the reasons he doesn't beat guys off the dribble as much is the fact that every team can help and sag so much b/c we don't have a legit threat at the 2.

I think Garrett is more than good enough to play the point. If we had someone as good as him at the 2 and the 5 we'd be decent.

 

[marothisu]

Yet he has more assists than Collins, and shoots about the same from the floor. They both shoot 42% from 2s and Collins shoots 37% from 3s while DG is 33%. One of the reasons he doesn't beat guys off the dribble as much is the fact that every team can help and sag so much b/c we don't have a legit threat at the 2.

I think Garrett is more than good enough to play the point. If we had someone as good as him at the 2 and the 5 we'd be decent.

So if someone showed you a tape of Diante Garrett without you ever seeing him or hearing of him, you would honestly immediately say to yourself "yeah, that guy is a point guard?"

I'm not talking about statistics. I'm talking about intangibles like beating a defender off the dribble. I don't think he's "the problem" as there's tons of things that add up to that, but I don't think of the guy as a PG is my point. I'd rather have a guy like Kantrail Horton running my team.

 

[cy1010]

So if someone showed you a tape of Diante Garrett without you ever seeing him or hearing of him, you would honestly immediately say to yourself "yeah, that guy is a point guard?"

I'm not talking about statistics. I'm talking about intangibles like beating a defender off the dribble. I don't think he's "the problem" as there's tons of things that add up to that, but I don't think of the guy as a PG is my point. I'd rather have a guy like Kantrail Horton running my team.

Oh, you'd rather have someone as super talented as Kantrail over DG? Me too. I'm with ya there. I'd rather have Tinsley or Stinson too.

How is beating your defender an intangible? Also, that's one of the things he does best. If anything, his problem is finishing once he gets by his defender.

And yes, to answer your question. If I saw him play without knowing anything about him I'd say he's a pretty prototypical one guard.

 

[marothisu]

Oh, you'd rather have someone as super talented as Kantrail over DG? Me too. I'm with ya there. I'd rather have Tinsley or Stinson too.

How is beating your defender an intangible? Also, that's one of the things he does best. If anything, his problem is finishing once he gets by his defender.

And yes, to answer your question. If I saw him play without knowing anything about him I'd say he's a pretty prototypical one guard.

I meant quickness and acceleration. I don't see Diante doing that a lot against Big 12 defenders to be honest.

 

[deadeyededric]

I meant quickness and acceleration. I don't see Diante doing that a lot against Big 12 defenders to be honest.

Agree, and when he does he usally runs into a wall and turns the ball over with a bad pass.

 

[cy1010]

I meant quickness and acceleration. I don't see Diante doing that a lot against Big 12 defenders to be honest.

He did it a lot today. He's done it a lot the last three games actually. He was unstoppable against Oklahoma last year. He's not Allen Iverson, but he's a solid Big 12 pg.

Clearly, there's no way to resolve this. But beating his guy one on one is his best attribute IMO.

 

[ETL2424]

I really don't know what Diante could bring to the 2. I'm kinda ready for him to be gone. Sorry if that upsets some of you.

I couldn't agree more. I just don't like watching him dribble and dribble out front while the offense just stands around. And he's not a good enough shooter to be a two guard. Nebraska let him jack up those ugly 3's the entire game and he kept shooting it. Time for this team to go another direction next year at point. And I don't think Colvin is the answer. He can't hit the broad side of a barn and he is too turnover prone. I know he's just a freshman, but these last few games he can't hit **** from the field. In 14 minutes vs. CU, he had all zeros across his line except for 4 missed shots. Unproductive.

 

[RoseClone]

I do believe that guard play is a factor in where we are. However, I also believe that our defense is poor and keeps us from winning a lot of games. We rarely play tough defense for the full possession. We may have a guy d-up for part of the possession but then there will be a break down that allows an open shot or an uncontested drive for a lay-up. It happens too often.

 

[CyBelieve]

Our all american was 6-16 from the field. Didn't attempt a free through. Was 1-3 from three point line. Heck, the team shot roughly 45% from the field and a bucket more than 50% from the line (and our coach said it was Defense) ....and it's DG's fault. Heck it's been the PG's fault for years. ...maybe it's the systme and not the PG.

I love an offence where one guy dribbles and 4 guys stand around. If you have no place to pass it, it ain't necessarily the PG's issue.

Just tell me the team out there that we emulate their offense (and defense)? I would say there's not ONE out there.

 

[marothisu]

Our all american was 6-16 from the field. Didn't attempt a free through. Was 1-3 from three point line. Heck, the team shot roughly 45% from the field and a bucket more than 50% from the line (and our coach said it was Defense) ....and it's DG's fault. Heck it's been the PG's fault for years. ...maybe it's the systme and not the PG.

I love an offence where one guy dribbles and 4 guys stand around. If you have no place to pass it, it ain't necessarily the PG's issue.

Just tell me the team out there that we emulate their offense (and defense)? I would say there's not ONE out there.

My friend who went to Penn State was with me for the start of yesterday's game. He told me we are just like PSU (they are 2-13 in conference and 10-17 overall). Their coach is actually pretty similar in some ways to McDermott too.

 

[Kyle]

I couldn't agree more. I just don't like watching him dribble and dribble out front while the offense just stands around.

I love an offence where one guy dribbles and 4 guys stand around. If you have no place to pass it, it ain't necessarily the PG's issue.

I agree with CyBelieve. DG's excessive dribbling is a product of our offensive system.

 

[Clonefan32]

I agree with CyBelieve. DG's excessive dribbling is a product of our offensive system.

Exactly. When the wings don't get open, what are his options? Force a pass thats not there to a wing player, usually resulting in a turnover....Stop your dribble up top, get pressured, and have the other team turn up the pressure on the wing...or keep your dribble open until someone does get open. I'll take the 3rd option.

 

[aweb84]

What we really need is a go to defender who can stop a player when they start heating up instead of letting them have career games against us. I would really be interested in the stat about how many players had career games against us this year.

 

[Toasted40]

Our all american was 6-16 from the field. Didn't attempt a free through. Was 1-3 from three point line. Heck, the team shot roughly 45% from the field and a bucket more than 50% from the line (and our coach said it was Defense) ....and it's DG's fault. Heck it's been the PG's fault for years. ...maybe it's the systme and not the PG.

I love an offence where one guy dribbles and 4 guys stand around. If you have no place to pass it, it ain't necessarily the PG's issue.

Just tell me the team out there that we emulate their offense (and defense)? I would say there's not ONE out there.

This.

As people are trying to find reasons for how bad we are, and people to blame for it, they miss the biggest problem of all.

The offensive philosophy that we use is flawed to its core. It has been since year one, except that Mike Taylor could make plays. This isn't any different than what was run at UNI either.

Watch us play. Whenever the ball is passed to DG, the first thing he does is dribble, Gilstrap is the same. The only guy that can actually catch a pass, and then throw a pass without dribbling the ball first is Christopherson.

Watch the Villanova-Syracuse game from last night, and see how much idle dribbling is done on the offensive end. Even the teams like Oklahoma State, whose offense is based on the dribble drive, does less idle dribbling than we do.

That is why there is no flow to our offense. Add to that players being moved around the court from the sidelines, and it's painful to watch.