ISU ranked #23 in AP pole. 11/28/2022

[LLCoolCY]

OTZ-BALL…
WEEK 4 Released November 28

RANK		TEAM	TREND	THIS WEEK	POINTS
1		Houston (6-0) American Athletic	1	vs Kent State W 49-44	1,534 (45)
2		Texas (5-0) Big 12	2	vs Texas Rio Grande Valley W 91-54	1,467 (8)
3		Virginia (5-0) Atlantic Coast	2	vs Maryland-Eastern Shore W 72-45	1,408 (2)
4		Arizona (6-0) Pacific 12	10	vs Creighton W 81-79	1,341
5		Purdue (6-0) Big Ten	19	vs Duke W 75-56	1,307 (8)
6		Baylor (5-1) Big 12	1	vs McNeese State W 89-60	1,111
7		Creighton (6-1) Big East	3	vs Arizona L 81-79	1,100
8		UConn (8-0) Big East	12	vs Iowa State W 71-53	1,099
9		Kansas (6-1) Big 12	6	vs Tennessee L 64-50	990
10		Indiana (6-0) Big Ten	1	vs Jackson State W 90-51	938
11		Arkansas (5-1) Southeastern	2	vs San Diego State W 78-74	860
11		Alabama (6-1) Southeastern	7	vs North Carolina W 103-101	860
13		Tennessee (5-1) Southeastern	9	vs Kansas W 64-50	848
14		Gonzaga (5-2) West Coast	8	vs Xavier W 88-84	845
15		Auburn (7-0) Southeastern	2	vs Saint Louis W 65-60	733
16		Illinois (5-1) Big Ten	-	vs Lindenwood W 92-59	643
17		Duke (6-2) Atlantic Coast	9	vs Purdue L 75-56	614
18		North Carolina (5-2) Atlantic Coast	17	vs Alabama L 103-101	541
19		Kentucky (4-2) Southeastern	4	vs North Florida W 96-56	472
20		Michigan State (5-2) Big Ten	8	vs Portland W 78-77	469
21		UCLA (5-2) Pacific 12	2	vs Bellarmine W 81-60	346
22		Maryland (6-0) Big Ten	1	vs Coppin State W 95-79	282
23		Iowa State (5-1) Big 12	-	vs UConn L 71-53	198
24		San Diego State (4-2) Mountain West	7	vs Arkansas L 78-74	189
25		Ohio State (5-1) Big Ten	-	vs Texas Tech W 80-73	108

 

[keepngoal]

how tall is it?

 

[Cfinnerty16]

 

[CycloneErik]

The slow progression these polls do is ridiculous, but it's good to be in there.

 

[Sigmapolis]

This reminds me I need to set up my Festivus Pole.

 

[mj4cy]

The slow progression these polls do is ridiculous, but it's good to be in there.

UNC dropping 17 seems a tad harsh if you think about it....if people think we're good enough to be ranked then by that logic it shouldn't be that bad of a loss for UNC. Especially when their other loss was 4 OTs to a ranked team.

 

[NorthCyd]

Feel like it could have been higher, but happy to be ranked at all. Super pumped overall with the start to the season. On to a tuneup game on Wednesday followed by a couple of challenging games.

 

[CycloneDaddy]

UCLA has played 2 teams with a pulse and lost both. How they are ranked higher then ISU beats me.

 

[mynameisjonas]

that’ll work

 

[CY9008]

I’m usually an optimist, but coming into the season I didn’t really think we’d be in the top 25 at this point in the season. TJ continuing to build and I can’t wait to see where he takes us.

 

[MuskieCy]

 

[CyPunch]

UNC dropping 17 seems a tad harsh if you think about it....if people think we're good enough to be ranked then by that logic it shouldn't be that bad of a loss for UNC. Especially when their other loss was 4 OTs to a ranked team.

They really haven't played well in November. Got a scare from Gardner Webb before the PK85. Opened with an unconvincing win over UNC Wilmington.

I say all that not really disagreeing that they didn't "earn" the preseason #1 ranking. Essentially returned the entire roster from a national championship runner up team. Traded out Manek for Pete Nance.

 

[CliveClone17]

Only 1 new team in the poll (Iowa State) replacing the 1 team that dropped out (Iowa)

 

[enisthemenace]

UNC dropping 17 seems a tad harsh if you think about it....if people think we're good enough to be ranked then by that logic it shouldn't be that bad of a loss for UNC. Especially when their other loss was 4 OTs to a ranked team.

And Alabama went up 7 spots.

 

[Cyclonepride]

They really haven't played well in November. Got a scare from Gardner Webb before the PK85. Opened with an unconvincing win over UNC Wilmington.

I say all that not really disagreeing that they didn't "earn" the preseason #1 ranking. Essentially returned the entire roster from a national championship runner up team. Traded out Manek for Pete Nance.

That’s a fairly strong argument for being #1 early. Stronger than most anyone else would have

 

[Gunnerclone]

I feel like Kenpom has risen to the level where the AP and coaches polls are meaningless. It won’t be long until you see games on TV with Kenpom rankings instead of AP/Coaches rankings.

 

[nallen34]

I feel like Kenpom has risen to the level where the AP and coaches polls are meaningless. It won’t be long until you see games on TV with Kenpom rankings instead of AP/Coaches rankings.

We're ranked 47th in Kenpom.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I feel like Kenpom has risen to the level where the AP and coaches polls are meaningless. It won’t be long until you see games on TV with Kenpom rankings instead of AP/Coaches rankings.

I don't even care what the voters think for basketball. The analytics are stronger than the voters (KenPom, Torvik, ESPN BPI, etc., there's a dozen of them) and their "eye test." Basketball also has enough of a sample size and cross-pollination between conferences that valid comparisons are easy in those models.

Football is different and is always going to be inherently arbitrary because the sample size of games is so small and the cross-pollination between conferences and the best programs in the country is so limited. Basketball is nice that the "power" programs actively seek each other out for early-season games.

Iowa State is #35 on Torvik filtering out any preseason effects. I think that's fair.

 

[Clonedogg]

9 of the 10 Big12 teams ranked or receiving votes. OK State is currently the only team not.

 

[ClonesTwenty1]

UConn to #8. Yeah they’re damn good. Would be surprised if they lose more than 4 games this season.