ISU to Big10 Website, it's time to crank it back up!
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There's still nothing he can do about it. Nothing he can do is going to change anything or make anything better. He has ZERO control over anything related to conferences. Can he tell Sally Mason and Gary Barta to do what they can in conference meetings? Yes. Does it need to be done publicly? Absolutely not.
I think you look like a fool for thinking ISU doesn't deserve a public voice. Taking a stand on an issue isn't about making sure you can inact change or that you are on the winning side, it is about having character and principles. In the face of something wrong such as this money grab, someone ought to have the guts to call a spade a spade in public. But everyone is so tied into the money and into thinking that everything bad for ISU is good for UofI that it won't happen.
Iowa State has multiple public voices, starting with some Dr. named Gregory Geoffroy and some other dude named Jamie Pollard. They choose not to say anything. What has a public voice done for the University of Missouri? Nothing. SMU is really trying to have a voice. What has it done for them? How about Boise State? God knows for YEARS they have been trying to have a voice. Nada.
Hello, this is Travis, I along with two other ISU alums put together last year's ISU to Big Ten website. While I personally think it would be much harder to get there now, I still don't mind supporting it. If anyone would like to contribute some possible selling points, please email me at travis@is****ig10.com (travis AT isu to big 10 DOT com, no spaces) and I can update the site to reflect that.
we'll obviously just have to disagree. I will never believe that the media has been fair to ISU sports and the fact that they see this as humorous is just further proof for me.
This "we can't do anything so why try" answer is a cop out. Have you ever done anything even though you didn't think you would be successful? For pete's sake, at the very heart of competition is the idea that one (or a team) can overcome the odds and win. I would think that Iowa fans would welcome a challenge. Do you really want us to see you, Jon Miller, as a person that will not even try just because you think you can't win? Go watch Rudy or Rocky and then think again.
I really don't understand Iowa fans' reluctance to fight for Iowa State. I know some people have said that Iowa fans think it would be nice if Iowa State just went away - that this would somehow end the rivalry and that Iowa would be the victor. The opposite is the truth.
Just imagine if Iowa stepped up and somehow helped to get Iowa State back from the brink and into the Big 10. Wouldn't this be the ultimate victory for Iowa? To be able to say that they saved Iowa State? Wouldn't that make them the all-time state champion in sportsmanship? Especially when they take so many hits in most years for a lack of sportsmanship. I see it as the greatest public relations victory that they could get. Really, as Iowa State fans wouldn't we all feel completely different about Iowa? You'd change Iowa State fans to fans of both schools. The alternative, if Iowa does nothing, just perpetuates the negative feelings that most Iowa State fans have about Iowa. I don't understand why they don't see it this way.
If this happened I'd want Pitt as the 4th team from that list. I know there is no chance at this ever happening but it would be great to see. There would be great rivalries and the geography would be solid as well.
Iowa has no power in the Big 10 so it doesn't matter if it goes to bat for ISU or not. Iowa's best bet is keep its head down and keep cashing the checks. If it wasn't already in the Big 10, it wouldn't be a school the Big 10 would consider adding.
At best, Iowa could make it look like it went to bat for ISU. Just a PR stunt, like the ANF stickers.
Because if we are available if conference folds, Big Ten would not be raiding another conference like they did for Nebby. The only thing that we do not bring is TV sets.
Again, I guess I don't understand people who say that they won't try because they think they will fail. If you've ever been an athlete, you know this doesn't fit with the spirit of competition. There is honor in fighting the good fight.
Honor before victory.
As for the ANF stickers, you're absolutely right.
I read Jon Miller's biggerten blog post and he is spot on with most of what is/maybe happening. Iowa State and Kansas State's problem is not location but population.
Both are geographically located in where one or two conferences could pick them up however both are number two in fan base and t.v.'s which is what these superconferences will be set up for. Baylor and Boise State have location problems,you could say the same for BYU too because they won't go PAC whatever and having a team located in Utah makes no sense for BIG 10,SEC or ACC.
Louisville could be in some trouble but they do have some name recognition,Cincinnati IMO could be left out because they currently play in a small,old stadium and I don't know if they have any plans to upgrade and even though they are in a good population area,their fan base is also small.
Both are geographically located in where one or two conferences could pick them up however both are number two in fan base and t.v.'s which is what these superconferences will be set up for. Baylor and Boise State have location problems,you could say the same for BYU too because they won't go PAC whatever and having a team located in Utah makes no sense for BIG 10,SEC or ACC.
Louisville could be in some trouble but they do have some name recognition,Cincinnati IMO could be left out because they currently play in a small,old stadium and I don't know if they have any plans to upgrade and even though they are in a good population area,their fan base is also small.
The big10 has added only 2 teams since 1950. Penn St in 1990 and Nebraska this year. I doubt they feel the need to add a bunch of other teams just because everyone else is doing it.
IF and a big IF the Big12 ends I would suspect the Big East is the best bet for ISU.
IF and a big IF the Big12 ends I would suspect the Big East is the best bet for ISU.
This. I think that the B1G would likely wait for awhile to see if the 16 team conference model is a success before jumping into it especially with the amount of money each team is already getting. If it is successful, I could see them then adding teams.
Exactly. If the 16 team model is as unstable and unsustainable as I think it will be in the long run, you seriously damage your brand and will end up with a net loss on TV money from where you are now when half the teams (some possibly charter members) break off to a new smaller conference.
I would be a little uneasy thinking about that possibility if I was the Big 10/SEC.
Maybe if ISU told the B1G that if you were accepted, you would only ask for a portion of the TV revenue that is comensurate with the additional revenue your team generates for the league. That might get some people behind it. The problem is, that money would never be anywhere close to enough to cover your expenses. Next thing you know the ISU fans are screaming at the Iowa legislature that UI must subsidize your sport with our revenue to make it "fair", because you are in the same state, with the same population base and the same number of TV's (they just don't happen to be turned on to ISU games.
CycloneErik
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I agree. They aren't the fast-moving conference that looks to set trends. They just make solid moves and go steadily along. It keeps them solid.
At some point it will not be about more money, it will be what makes sense. Do we bring a damn thing? NO. But it makes no sense either to grab a Miami or USC. At some point this ridiculous realingment crap will come crashing down.
You idiots are lucky you are in the BIg 10. Dont act like you are anything more than that. Christ posts like these is why people hate you guys. OSU and Michigan could say the same thing to you and then you would be out in the cold with your stubby little **** in your hands. Iowa might be more delusional than Aggie with there place in the world.
