ISU vs Baylor Meltdown Thread - Only Game-Related Thread Allowed

[Cyclones78227]

If Mac left the cupboard bare, why were 17 out of 22 starters in the Baylor game Mac recruits?

And if we lost because the players Mac left are so bad, where do you see this so-called more speed and more Big 12 players? Tell us where they are...are they sitting on the bench? Because they sure don't show up on the field.

The last McCarney team went 4-8. The first Chizik team went 3-9. The second Chizik team is headed to an identical or worse record against an easier schedule.

You make no sense.

Oh, so what you are saying is that he is playing with hold overs, from teams that underacheived, were poor fundementally, and in 2006 gave up (until the Missouri game at least). Why is that Monty?

Oh, probably because he hasn't had enough time to recruit, and get new players in the program. As far as speed, and more Big 12 ready bodies, if you can't see that, then you make no sense.

I understand, looking at your history on here, that you like to stir the pot. Good job, you have all kinds of ammunition this week.

 

[hoosman]

At this point, I'm not sure if it it's better to get good athletes and hope to teach them fundamentals or to get sound players and hope to teach them athleticism. Regarding fundamentals, either the coaches aren't teaching it or the players aren't getting it.

I am sensing the mindset - If you can't accept it, and you can't affect it, then you might need to neglect it. I guess this explains why I watched the second half last night with the sound turned off.

But the good thing about CF is that we can affect things. We should keep sharing our constructive thoughts and suggestions. Maybe this will be helpful to the staff. They need all the help they can get.

 

[Cyclones78227]

Please go tell Kurtis Taylor, RJ Sumrall, Austen Arnaud, etc. that they are part of a "bare cupboard." Those are our team leaders!
You also seem to miss my repeated posts where I say that Mac needed to go - the last two years were awful. But did we hire someone better?
I'm starting to wonder if you work for the ISU sports information department...

Ah, so again you pick a few names that suit you. How many of those players that you like to cherry pick, could make the two deeps at Texas? Oklahoma? T Tech? Missouri? Kansas? Colorado? Etc?

I don't know if you know this, but that is who we compete against.

Now, I love all of our players, and appreciate and respect the effort, and sacrifices that they have made to play football at Iowa State. But the fact is that few, if any, of the returning players you mention, would make the two deeps at the schools we that we have to compete against. THAT is why the cupboard is bare.

 

[Tornado man]

Oh, so what you are saying is that he is playing with hold overs, from teams that underacheived, were poor fundementally, and in 2006 gave up (until the Missouri game at least). Why is that Monty?

Wow. Pretty big words. Would you tell any of our Mac-recruited players that they "gave up" to their face? Would you? What qualifies you to make such a statement?

 

[Cyclonick182]

So Ive slept on last nights loss, and now that Ive woken up, I some how actually feel worse about the game now than I did last night. I didnt actually get to see the game, but after reading everyones posts, Im struggling to see what, if anything, is a positive for this team at this point. :sad:

 

[woodie]

we are definitely a bottom 10 team in football in the u.s. i suggest we drop out football team as a sport and start developing a WOMEN'S WRESTLING TEAM.i think that would be more fun to watch then a slow overfat football team.we would probably get more money for our athletic program with a no 1 women's wrestling team replacing our sorry,yes sorry,football program.

 

[Cyclones78227]

Wow. Pretty big words. Would you tell any of our Mac-recruited players that they "gave up" to their face? Would you? What qualifies you to make such a statement?

Yes, I have, and if you can tell me that you watched 2006, and can say that you didn't see that, then you have lost even more credibility.

I could tell that your memory is pretty selective. You seem to forget the *** whipping that Nebraska laid on us, the loss to K State, the debacle against KU, the pounding at a 2-10 CU team.

Yeah that group played as hard as they could the WHOLE year.:no:

 

[Cyclones78227]

Wow. Pretty big words. Would you tell any of our Mac-recruited players that they "gave up" to their face? Would you? What qualifies you to make such a statement?

BTW, "tell them to their face." What are you? ten years old.

 

[Tornado man]

Yes, I have

Oh, okay, yeah, I believe you...

 

[SmokinH2O]

So Ive slept on last nights loss, and now that Ive woken up, I some how actually feel worse about the game now than I did last night. I didnt actually get to see the game, but after reading everyones posts, Im struggling to see what, if anything, is a positive for this team at this point. :sad:

My wife and I feel the same. We both said we are even more disappointed today after last nights loss, so much so that she was a bit grouchy this morning when she got up. I asked what was wrong and she said FB last night. :frown: I feel bad for the players, I think the coaches have a lot of work to do.

 

[Cyclones78227]

Oh, okay, yeah, I believe you...

Retrospective candor, from people willing to admit they are wrong (don't worry, I wouldn't expect you to understand), is an interesting thing.

 

[MontyBurns]

As far as speed, and more Big 12 ready bodies, if you can't see that, then you make no sense..

Other than LJ, who are they? Do you have any names or just nonsensical generalities? I didn't think so.

 

[Cyclones78227]

My wife and I feel the same. We both said we are even more disappointed today after last nights loss, so much so that she was a bit grouchy this morning when she got up. I asked what was wrong and she said FB last night. :frown: I feel bad for the players, I think the coaches have a lot of work to do.

Yes, the coaches do have a lot of work to do. It starts, with recruiting Big 12 caliber players. We don't have enough of them, yet.

And, as I said last night, watching the team go through the motions, they were mentally flat as a pancake. It was a tough week, and it will be interesting to see how they respond at home against NU.

Hopefully, the fans will be there to support the team.

 

[cyclonenum1]

The worst thing about a loss like this is all of the McCarney apologists come out of the woodwork to go to bat for old Danny boy. The bottom line is that if McCarney was such a damned good head coach he would have been able to get a better gig on the rebound from ISU than being a d-line coach...period.

I almost decided to make the trek over to Waco to see this game and now I am glad that I did not.

McCarney did leave the cupboard bare when he left and the direction of the program was certainly going wrong (especially for someone that had been there 12 years). Chizik was a great hire. This is FB. It takes 22 guys to play (and you really need at least 2 deep at every position...so that is 44 to have a respectable team). We are both young and thin.

The best thing is that our current coach will not come up with a littany of excuses as to why we stunk against Baylor.

 

[Cyclone62]

People are touchy today. I hope everyone took their depression meds today. I don't want to read about ISU fans hanging themselves on Monday.

 

[Wesley]

I share your opinion.

The good part about this is that most of the severe bloodletting can be reversed during this season if basic fundamantals are given a priority. But that does not mean it will immediately translate into a lot of wins, considering the conference we are in. But things will get better and be moving in the right direction. It is a building process.

Let's face it, there is only so much time that can be spent with student athletes during a season on top of their class load. But it does not make much sense to be significantly expanding the playbook time-wise if your receivers can't catch balls that are placed near their hands or between the numbers because they are mentally undiciplined and your defenders can't stop ball-carriers that are within their reach.

It will take an expanded playbook and the more versatile coaching that will make possible, to beat ranked teams. But it will take mastery of the basics first in order for any of that to matter. A common mistake is to try and primarly focus on macro adjustments in roster and play calling in order to achieve short term improvement when the problem is more basic and systemic. Personally, I would be very happy just to see an end to horrible play and utter collapse for halves of games due to our players' regular inability to execute the basic components of winning football. Losing ball games is one thing, but being made fools of due to a horrible execution of football fundamentals is another.

Let's face it, Oklahoma lost today too, and although that loss does not make Oklahoma fans happy, I am sure, the team played a whale of a game and it was an awesome game to watch on both sides of the ball, as a fan of the sport. Even in the shadow of a bitter loss to a close rival, Sooner fans should be immensely proud of how their team played. Similarly, it is my hope that the Cyclones can play a solid enough game in the overall, to make, win-or-lose, the future meet-ups with the well coached groups of gifted athletes in our conference worth remembering.

As a Cyclones fan, of course I want to see wins, but I want to see more consistantly better play, even more. That, and only that will pave the way for a team with real, diverse, capabilities to regularly achieve victory in the conference in the future.

Yeah, but we looked so uninspired losing to Baylor. I seriously wonder if we have adequate leadership on this team. I miss the fire of Ace Bowen.

 

[coachdags]

Yes, the coaches do have a lot of work to do. It starts, with recruiting Big 12 caliber players.

If you are a Kid with Big 12 talent, what sells you on ISU.....?

Why come to Ames, how do you rebuff the perception........?

 

[Tornado man]

Other than LJ, who are they? Do you have any names or just nonsensical generalities? I didn't think so.

Don't expect any answers soon. Other than, of course, that it's all Mac's fault.

 

[Wesley]

So Ive slept on last nights loss, and now that Ive woken up, I some how actually feel worse about the game now than I did last night. I didnt actually get to see the game, but after reading everyones posts, Im struggling to see what, if anything, is a positive for this team at this point. :sad:

Grant Mahoney kicked two fieldgoals. He was solid.

Where is the fire in this sleepy team?

There has been little all year. Are the coaches running a too tight school and the players are not enjoying themselves?

We should be better than this after so many case. And we are no longer young. We are not fired up and we lack strong leadership from what they display on the field. This is similar over at Nebraska. You need some leaders with fire to get people to play harder.

 

[Cyclones78227]

The worst thing about a loss like this is all of the McCarney apologists come out of the woodwork to go to bat for old Danny boy. The bottom line is that if McCarney was such a damned good head coach he would have been able to get a better gig on the rebound from ISU than being a d-line coach...period.

I almost decided to make the trek over to Waco to see this game and now I am glad that I did not.

McCarney did leave the cupboard bare when he left and the direction of the program was certainly going wrong (especially for someone that had been there 12 years). Chizik was a great hire. This is FB. It takes 22 guys to play (and you really need at least 2 deep at every position...so that is 44 to have a respectable team). We are both young and thin.

The best thing is that our current coach will not come up with a littany of excuses as to why we stunk against Baylor.

This is what I have been talking about. It seems that the selective memory of people with agendas on here is what is causing all of this.

I loved Mac, but we were bad, and the team in 2006 gave up. It was time for a change, and I like Gene, and some of my buddies are coaches here in the San Antonio area, and they like Gene, and think that he will win as much as you can at Iowa State.

The thing is, that they were pathetic on the sidelines last night, there is no doubt about that. They deserve criticism for their performance as well. But for the people with agendas, like their trying to protect Mac's legacy here or something, to question whether or not we have the right guy after 18 games, is insane. This is a tough job, no question. And, more importantly, the cupboard was BARE when Mac left, other than the few players that Tornado wants to bring up like they were 5 star all americans. There was no recruiting class in Mac's last year either, he was combing juco's.

This was a bad job when Gene was hired, and when a guy had been here for 12 years, almost all of the blame has to fall on his shoulders.

Think of it this way, KU played our 2005 schedule and went 12-1, Mac went 7-5 with 3 OT losses, where we led in the 4th quarter. You see the impact that season has had on KU's recruiting, think what it could have meant to Iowa State had Mac just won those games.