Sure, we're tough to get ready for with regard to how to defend us. But any coach playing us will say to his squad, "we're going to get lots of offensive rebounds, put-backs, and lots of points because we play harder than they do."
ISU/WVU post game thread
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I wish I were that confident. We have a tendency to play down to the competition. Guess I better hope for a double digit seed.
People that are either surprised by the loss or blame the season on Prohm are just delusional. This is the same team we've had for several years minus our strongest leader sidelined by injury, a bipolar starter, and 2 role players in Cooke and Ashton that wouldn't play a minute for OU, KU, or even Iowa.
Considering the fact that Hoiberg gave Prohm probably the weakest bench in the top 7 of the league, I'd say we are sitting right about where we should be. We don't have players with the defensive skillset to keep games where we need them despite scoring above our potential with basically 3 legit scorers. Even though Nader is playing great O, his 20+ pts don't offset the 40 pts he gives up each game.
Prohm is coaching the **** out of these guys, but that only does so much. Had Fred been all-in the past two years with recruiting and coaching, we'd be in a much better position. Yes, it feels like wasted potential, but that blame shouldn't reside solely on the characters currently on the roster and staff, in fact I'd say very little of it does. The players are who they are and the coaches are doing the best job given the team makeup.
Considering the fact that Hoiberg gave Prohm probably the weakest bench in the top 7 of the league, I'd say we are sitting right about where we should be. We don't have players with the defensive skillset to keep games where we need them despite scoring above our potential with basically 3 legit scorers. Even though Nader is playing great O, his 20+ pts don't offset the 40 pts he gives up each game.
Prohm is coaching the **** out of these guys, but that only does so much. Had Fred been all-in the past two years with recruiting and coaching, we'd be in a much better position. Yes, it feels like wasted potential, but that blame shouldn't reside solely on the characters currently on the roster and staff, in fact I'd say very little of it does. The players are who they are and the coaches are doing the best job given the team makeup.
Exactly!!
I sure hope the people complaining about Prohm's demeanor on the sidelines ******* about their hero Hoiberg too because all he did was stand there with his arms up.
Using lunardi is cute. He is wrong on seeding all the time. Plus, there is still time.
Would you rather be up 10 with 5 mins left and all of our starters in the 33-35 minute range, or down 10 with 5 mins left and most our starters under 30 mins?
Wow. If true, that is astounding. Why on earth would an AD who claimed there was a Big XII officiating conspiracy against ISU ask for coaching recommendations from officials? I seriously would believe this though, seeing how Pollard puts so much importance on things not related to actual coaching during the hiring process...
Hoiberg at least knew when to stick up for his players. The technical in the Big 12 championship game against Kansas comes to mind. Nothing wrong with Prohm getting a T in the right situation. The best coaches like Izzo and Self are the masters of the strategically placed T.
Neither of those 2 would even sniff the court for a top 10 team, period. Both have a minute or two of potential mixed in with practice squad caliber play. The fact that they are our best options off the bench tells you how non existent our bench is. Not to pick on our own players as I hate that more than anything, but let's be honest and say they are not Big 12 level backups right now. I love how it's always the coach doing a ****** job because he isn't playing the scrubs and people can't figure out why. I've seen them in practice, there is a reason they don't play more even with no other options.
How many losses did North Carolina have going into the tournament last year and what seed did they get?
I don't really think its a terrible lack of effort on defense, I think it's lack of defensive talent. Georges lacks in every measurable that matters on defense. McKay is rail thin and lacks strength. Burton is 6'4 trying to guard post players. Top it off with 38 mins per game for most of them, so they are gassed. I think it's really simplistic to equate effort equaling good defense. These guys do not look like they have been well coached on defense during their careers. Often it's over rotating, engaging/ leaving a double team at the wrong time, mix-ups on pick and roll. Not really lack of effort but just lack of know-how.
Ehh, there's enough blame to go around. Fred and the players included but I'm not ready to give Prohm a lifetime contract either. He looks like just another coach to me. Usually it takes more than that to win in a tough league like this.
We will see next year in the next two years when he has shaped the roster in his mold but I'm in wait and see mode on him.
Both games, one of the least fouling teams in the nation out fouled West Virginia. Let me say that again. BOTH AT WEST VIRGINIA AND AT HILTON COLISEUM, WE OUT FOUL A TEAM THAT FOULS MORE THAN ALMOST ANY TEAM IN THE NATION. Yes we could've done things better, but in absolutely no fathomable universe should that ever be remotely possible and it makes me sick that it is even realistic to think so.
Good thing Fred cut players like SDW and Custer. Gibson also although he would be gone by now. We go from cutting guys like Amardi to having walk-ons coming off the bench in just a year.
Best job...
Will likely have the worst big 12 record of any isu team in 5 years. Preseason top 10 to 6th best in the Big 12.
Morris is playing over 40 min/game in conference play, you have to find a way to steal mins along the way. There are plenty of opportuniites to get Ashton or Cooke a min or two before a timeout to extend the rest for a starter.
rolleyes:
1 T in his college coaching career and you are killing coach Prohm who hasn't even coached 1 year at Iowa State.
