Jacob Park

[bozclone]

I said this in another thread. Campbell said something like this a couple of weeks ago: Our "A" (best) players must play at an "A" level for the team to win. You can not hope your "B" (average) players to play at an "A" level.

I would view Lazard, Lanning, Warren, Cotton-Moya, Tucker, Peavy, and Harvey as our "A" players.

I thought Lazard, Cotton-Moya, Tucker and Peavy all played at the level we need to to play at on Saturday.

Lanning, Warren, and Harvey did not. Harvey left the game with an injury and I think that impacted our LB groups ability to make plays against the run. This showed in the second half. Lanning was great in throwing the three TDs, but the three turnovers were game changers and for the most part unforced. Warren has been hyped as one of the best backs in the Big 12, but he had a critical fumble and was pretty much a non-factor in the game. Yes, the running was tough but he is our stud and he has to find ways to make plays.

It is easy to criticize the offensive line, but I thought they played at the level we expected or maybe even a littler better than that on Saturday. Pass blocking was outstanding for the most part. They gave Lanning all day in the pocket. We haven't been able to throw deep routes like that consistently in a long time. Running the ball was a struggle, but some of that had to do with the penalties. They not only negated some runs, but they also put us in situations were we could not call a power run play.

I think CMC will play the best guys. I think Lanning is our guy, but he has to show it on the field.

 

[cydline2cydline]

I think you guys missed the concept the OP was trying to get across. You are assuming he meant 1 OR the other. I think he was saying, we need 2 QB's out there. That way, the defense won't know who we are going to snap it to and you take away one of the linemen so you have fewer bad OL on the field. Problem solved.

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[Beyerball]

Anyone with a pulse can see that QB is not really the source of our problems. Lanning threw for 250 yards and 3 TDs, with ~65% completion, in a loss. The loss extends beyond him.

I'm not one to bench Lanning at all..at least not now..but that lose is a lot on Lanning not all but a lot I'm sorry to say..Sure Oline penalties didn't help but as a key player you can't have 4 turnovers you just can't. If a starting RB had 4 fumbles lost do you think they would still be playing?

 

[jbindm]

Jacob Park was playing a church league two years ago, and then transferred to a JUCO that doesn't even offer football. His last action was in a league where you're out of bounds if you hit the parsonage. The most important read was finding the whole in the defense that was left when someone took a few plays off because the dark meat was almost out of the chicken bucket.

I mean, I don't know, maybe the guy can sling it. But I guess I can't get too pumped about benching a QB with some decent Big 12 experience for a guy whose last action was leading Jacob and the Ladders through the vaunted Presbyterian League.

You really took the church league thing and ran with it. But it's a good point. Park has been away from football for a long time, and he might not be totally ready yet.
And even if you think Lanning lost the job on Saturday (I don't), that's only one part of it. If Park hasn't earned the opportunity then it's just change for the sake of change. And if he struggles and they go back to Lanning then they've destroyed the confidence of two young quarterbacks. And I think we've all had our fill of that. If Park plays, it should only be due to injury or because he has shown the staff that he's the better option.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Anyone with a pulse can see that QB is not really the source of our problems. Lanning threw for 250 yards and 3 TDs, with ~65% completion, in a loss. The loss extends beyond him.

I don't really agree with this. Lanning's mistakes absolutely killed this team. The end of the first half debacle changed the momentum heading into halftime, a junior should know where he is at on the field. His two picks at the end of the 4th were as ugly as it gets and totally uncalled for passes. While he wasn't the only reason for the loss, he had a huge hand in it, more so than anyone I can think of.

 

[sheepplucker]

There are a lot of teams that play 2 quarterbacks. I hope they find a way to get parks some game time to atleast test the waters. They can do that without throwing lanning under the bus.

 

[Hayes30]

True, but you are in denial if you don't think he wasn't a big problem. 2 int, 1 fumble lost, safety given up cause he couldn't read the blitz at all.

1 interpretation was a wr and qb miscommunication and the line and RB didn't protect good enough when uni brought the house.

 

[CyHans]

How many years have we had the next great QB sitting on the bench only to have that guy become the starter and then behind him is the next great QB?

 

[JustRedman]

I think you see it around the country quite a bit. A running qb will get his spots but USUALLY will be replaced in a year or so by a guy who can sling it around the field. Right now, Lanning is great on the deep ball thrower but I have no confidence in him making ALL the throws (especially sit-down and crossing routes). If Park figures out the offense, don't be surprised if we don't see Park more and more as the season wears on. Next year I assume we will see less Lanning than this year. It is just the trend most coaches go with.

 

[JimmyChitwood]

Joel Lanning is a nice athlete. Premier Big12 quarterback? No. I don't think any coach in all of college football would bring in a JUCO transfer who happened to also be a 4 star coming out of high school unless they planned on giving him a shot at the starting position. If Lanning goes into this weekend and pisses down his leg like he did last weekend, I see Parks getting at the very minimum split snaps against TCU.

 

[JimmyChitwood]

Joel Lanning is a nice athlete. Premier Big12 quarterback? No. I don't think any coach in all of college football would bring in a JUCO transfer who happened to also be a 4 star coming out of high school unless they planned on giving him a shot at the starting position. If Lanning goes into this weekend and pisses down his leg like he did last weekend, I see Parks getting at the very minimum split snaps against TCU.

 

[Aclone]

How many years have we had the next great QB sitting on the bench only to have that guy become the starter and then behind him is the next great QB?

How often have we had a four star quarterback sitting on the bench?

And, of course, with Noland injured, there's no one beyond him....

 

[CyInDFW]

Forget the quarterback play.
When you have a returning Freshman All American RB, you give him the ball on the first drive. You give him more than 5 carries in the first half. You give him more than 12 carries in the game.

There is no reason Warren shouldn't have 10-15 carries in the first half of a game, even if they only go for 10-15 yards. He's eventually going to find a hole and get going.

He found the holes, unfortunately they were opened by an OLineman holding a guy.

 

[CyRiley]

the entire team is ******.

 

[RustShack]

Joel Lanning doesn't have the talent to start at any other Big12 school. Jacob Park does.

There is a reason the staff wants him to get snaps... You don't do that with just any "backup" QB. When he's ready, he's the best option. Obviously you can't just throw a QB out there who isn't ready.

 

[Clonefan32]

Joel Lanning doesn't have the talent to start at any other Big12 school. Jacob Park does.

There is a reason the staff wants him to get snaps... You don't do that with just any "backup" QB. When he's ready, he's the best option. Obviously you can't just throw a QB out there who isn't ready.

How often have we had a four star quarterback sitting on the bench?

And, of course, with Noland injured, there's no one beyond him....

This is what I find comical. He was a FOUR STAR QUARTERBACK, by God we better get him in their immediately! He was a four star quarterback in 2014, people. Since then he hasn't played a lick of football. Also, being a four star QB does not necessarily equate to college success. A few others who joined him as a 2014 4-Star was:

Keller Chryst
David Cornwell
Drew Barker
Justice Hanson
Rafe Peavey

Now I hope the kid can sling it. But being a four-star recruit 2 years ago does not mean he's the answer to our problems, especially when you haven't even played football for over a year.

 

[DeereClone]

Joel Lanning is a nice athlete. Premier Big12 quarterback? No. I don't think any coach in all of college football would bring in a JUCO transfer who happened to also be a 4 star coming out of high school unless they planned on giving him a shot at the starting position. If Lanning goes into this weekend and pisses down his leg like he did last weekend, I see Parks getting at the very minimum split snaps against TCU.

So if we were looking for an option to add depth we should have only targeted 2 star guys? Got it.

 

[RustShack]

This is what I find comical. He was a FOUR STAR QUARTERBACK, by God we better get him in their immediately! He was a four star quarterback in 2014, people. Since then he hasn't played a lick of football. Also, being a four star QB does not necessarily equate to college success. A few others who joined him as a 2014 4-Star was:

Keller Chryst
David Cornwell
Drew Barker
Justice Hanson
Rafe Peavey

Now I hope the kid can sling it. But being a four-star recruit 2 years ago does not mean he's the answer to our problems, especially when you haven't even played football for over a year.

The fact that the vast majority of the passing highlights in camp were from Park, and the fact that the ******* coaching staff said themselves they want to get him on the field has nothing to do with his rivals rating. You're right, he hasn't played in a few years, that's why they are getting him ready first. Do all Lanning homers lack common sense?

 

[Rabbuk]

Let's play both at the same time.

 

[NetflixAndClone]

I thought this was interesting.

My guess about this is they want to use Lanning as a pocket passer that can run downhill if the pocket collapses.

They want to use park as a traditional dual threat that will roll out of the pocket and throw on the run or take off on the sidelines.

This issue was when you have 1 and 20 you don't want to be throwing on the run because it diminishes your accuracy and my guess is most of park's passes will be around 7 or so yards long. Plus with us not being able to run the ball we were forced to throw long the whole night.