Jake Knott-- Updates

ArgentCy

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I tolerate you and occasionally agree with you, but this is not the thread to make into another push for your alternative "medicine" quackery. If people want to believe in the healing powers of silver colloids and crystals for entertainment purposes, they can go right ahead, but I am married to a physician, and junk like this causes people to actively harm themselves, misinterpret placebos, or not seek the help that they need every day, even if modern medicine has its limitations and complications that good doctors try to improve on every day.
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I get it but what does modern medicine have to offer these people. Lets say I walk in to the Ankeny hospitals and inform them I highly suspect I have CTE. What are they going to do?

I suspect they might run a few tests, come back with inconclusive results, and perhaps give you some other pain killers or an anti-depressant. Modern medicine is not as advanced as even I had once assumed. They are pretty good for traumatic injury's but have a long way to go in other areas.
 

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You're a skilled flamer, perhaps show your skills in elaboration this time around.

By all accounts Jake is a good dude. Sounds like he needs a family to watch over him, and perhaps he could develop his coaching craft along the way.
I'm sorry, but by all accounts, Jake needs to be in rehab. I know a lot of people praised him for playing through pain, when really he was playing through addiction. His problem is most likely drug related and bringing him back into the sport which set him down this path is probably not the best idea.
 

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Repainted my bag boards this off season as a tribute to 2 of my all time favorites.

Hope he gets the help he needs. We all love a good redemption story.

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Tough. Gritty. Determined. Competitor. Winner.

The list of positive adjectives to describe Jake Knott could probably go on. Those things come from within and remain after taking the uniform off. Some negative adjectives may be starting to stick, but one can turn those around into triumph given time and steps in the positive direction.

One of the manliest things a guy can ever do is ask for help.
 
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He won't go to therapy or rehab. He's parents have tried to get him to go for his pain killer addiction after he stole thousands of dollars from a former roommate he had to pay for pain killers, and he refuses to go

That's really sad but an all to familiar story in this country.

Check out this documentary, it's really good and is on Netflix instant streaming:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prescription_thugs_2016/
 
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Repainted my bag boards this off season as a tribute to 2 of my all time favorites.

Hope he gets the help he needs. We all love a good redemption story.

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Absolutely, just count all the young kids wearing #20 throughout Iowa on Saturday. Not just at JTS. There is a reason for that.
 

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I get it but what does modern medicine have to offer these people. Lets say I walk in to the Ankeny hospitals and inform them I highly suspect I have CTE. What are they going to do?

I suspect they might run a few tests, come back with inconclusive results, and perhaps give you some other pain killers or an anti-depressant. Modern medicine is not as advanced as even I had once assumed. They are pretty good for traumatic injury's but have a long way to go in other areas.

So, because modern medicine is limited, the obvious solution (to you) is to scour the internet for some unregulated supplement that some snake oil salesman working out of his garage claims has the cure for every malady known to man? Because quackery medicine is somehow less limited than modern medicine? I guess the supplement industry needs gullible people to make it work. They thank you for your contribution.
 

ArgentCy

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So, because modern medicine is limited, the obvious solution (to you) is to scour the internet for some unregulated supplement that some snake oil salesman working out of his garage claims has the cure for every malady known to man? Because quackery medicine is somehow less limited than modern medicine? I guess the supplement industry needs gullible people to make it work. They thank you for your contribution.

No, its called scouring the internet to search for the latest, most respected, and unbiased research. I don't blame doctors but often times they are relying on very old methods. Lets say they are 50 years old. That means they were in medical school at least 20 years ago, school perhaps 25 years ago. And then it took many years before that to develop the methods that they were teaching at the time. So you are looking at methods that are likely 30-40 years outdated. They are busy running their practices and business and don't have the time to keep up on the research. Plus they start to risk the state certification if they stray to far from what their "colleagues" would find acceptable. Nobody is going to take your health more seriously than you.
 

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They are busy running their practices and business and don't have the time to keep up on the research. Plus they start to risk the state certification if they stray to far from what their "colleagues" would find acceptable. Nobody is going to take your health more seriously than you.
Oh, you mean like peer reviewed research.
 
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No, its called scouring the internet to search for the latest, most respected, and unbiased research. I don't blame doctors but often times they are relying on very old methods. Lets say they are 50 years old. That means they were in medical school at least 20 years ago, school perhaps 25 years ago. And then it took many years before that to develop the methods that they were teaching at the time. So you are looking at methods that are likely 30-40 years outdated. They are busy running their practices and business and don't have the time to keep up on the research. Plus they start to risk the state certification if they stray to far from what their "colleagues" would find acceptable. Nobody is going to take your health more seriously than you.

Would you please stop - you have no clue as to what you are talking about. I am married to a medical professional who works in a large hospital with many doctors - they are constantly continuing their education through peer reviewed research, continuing education, and advanced schooling. The doctors are ENCOURAGED to continue their education because it provides greater benefits to the hospital.
 

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No, its called scouring the internet to search for the latest, most respected, and unbiased research. I don't blame doctors but often times they are relying on very old methods. Lets say they are 50 years old. That means they were in medical school at least 20 years ago, school perhaps 25 years ago. And then it took many years before that to develop the methods that they were teaching at the time. So you are looking at methods that are likely 30-40 years outdated. They are busy running their practices and business and don't have the time to keep up on the research. Plus they start to risk the state certification if they stray to far from what their "colleagues" would find acceptable. Nobody is going to take your health more seriously than you.
Are you aware there are more medical doctors in research than there are in practice? If a practice is 30-40 years outdated, it would not be used (as outdated refers to something being replaced by a practice which is superior). Do you also realize that practicing doctors are required to continuously further educate themselves? But you prefer the dude on the internet selling stuff out of his basement or the minimum wage teenager at GNC? I think this may even be a stupider position than those dumb asses on the Rivalry board try to argue day in and day out.
 

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No, its called scouring the internet to search for the latest, most respected, and unbiased research. I don't blame doctors but often times they are relying on very old methods. Lets say they are 50 years old. That means they were in medical school at least 20 years ago, school perhaps 25 years ago. And then it took many years before that to develop the methods that they were teaching at the time. So you are looking at methods that are likely 30-40 years outdated. They are busy running their practices and business and don't have the time to keep up on the research. Plus they start to risk the state certification if they stray to far from what their "colleagues" would find acceptable. Nobody is going to take your health more seriously than you.
You actually have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
 

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No, its called scouring the internet to search for the latest, most respected, and unbiased research. I don't blame doctors but often times they are relying on very old methods. Lets say they are 50 years old. That means they were in medical school at least 20 years ago, school perhaps 25 years ago. And then it took many years before that to develop the methods that they were teaching at the time. So you are looking at methods that are likely 30-40 years outdated. They are busy running their practices and business and don't have the time to keep up on the research. Plus they start to risk the state certification if they stray to far from what their "colleagues" would find acceptable. Nobody is going to take your health more seriously than you.

Again, unless you are a medical research scientist whose job is to perform studies and experiments to determine efficacy of medical treatments, the snake oil salesmen thank you for your contribution. They have families to feed.
 
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No, its called scouring the internet to search for the latest, most respected, and unbiased research. I don't blame doctors but often times they are relying on very old methods. Lets say they are 50 years old. That means they were in medical school at least 20 years ago, school perhaps 25 years ago. And then it took many years before that to develop the methods that they were teaching at the time. So you are looking at methods that are likely 30-40 years outdated. They are busy running their practices and business and don't have the time to keep up on the research. Plus they start to risk the state certification if they stray to far from what their "colleagues" would find acceptable. Nobody is going to take your health more seriously than you.

I'm not going to blast you because complacency exists in all professions. But every time I talk to my family doc we discuss new studies and things he's learned about recently. My mother has worked for the same physician for four decades and the last time I spoke to him we discussed new medical technology...he's in his seventies.

The notion that physicians just stop somewhere is totally false. They understand learning is part of their profession.

Now, I won't deny that physicians need to take more lead (and blame) for the opioid crisis but your characterization doesn't represent all, most or even some doctors. It's the tiny fraction of sh*tty doctors you describe.