If we're hovering around a 12 seed, that could mean curtains on Selection Sunday, and that "stupid 8/9 seed" would look highly enticing at that point.
Jerry Palm has us OUT
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If we're hovering around a 12 seed, that could mean curtains on Selection Sunday, and that "stupid 8/9 seed" would look highly enticing at that point.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but didn't. That is the cold hard fact. ISU has beaten TCU on the road in conference, period. I don't think the committee gives a team much credit for losing a close game on the road. It is still a loss. Then when the team compounds the situation by losing to the likes of Tech, Texas and even Iowa on the road, matters look even worse. Yes, ISU played KU and OSU well on the road.......until they lost. If you think ISU should get credits for close losses on the road, then you must think they should also lose credit for close wins at home, as in the cases of WVU, Baylor and KSU.
The committee looks at road record.....wins and losses.....not close wins and close losses. Those types of things may come in when it comes to seeding.
The simple fact is that ISU has just not shown to be a good road team this year.......in conference or out of it. As ISU fans, that is frustrating, but it is not a misstatement.
Believe it or not, Stephen F Austin is 21-3 and RPI #90 and BPI #79. Should they have lost to SFA, no. But as far as resume's go, its not a bad loss.
I don't care that Palm has us out right now, it's the fact that he had us in before the TCU game and then moved us out after it.
ISU isn't going to win a road game because they are "due" or because destiny says they should. Take a look at the box scores from those games you mentioned above. The reason ISU lost those games is because they gave up too many easy points.
Just in the last road game, UT got 40/89 points in the paint, while ISU got 24/86. That's not about destiny, that's about bad defense, and unless ISU can somehow improve that, there will be few to no road wins over the remaining games. Giving up easy points like that just puts too much pressure on the offense to have an outstanding shooting game in somebody else's arena. And really, the defense isn't that much better at home, but ISU typically shoots the 3pt shot better, and trading 3 for 2 helps to mask weak interior defense.
CFH was a hard-nosed player, and I'm sure he knows the value of playing hard-nosed defense, especially on the road, and especially during the crunch-time of the season. I just hope he can get all of the team to buy-in over these next few games. The other scary thing is that ISU may simply not have personnel to shore up the interior defense, or at least personnel with an attitude appropriate to get into the game.
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#1. I just want in the tourney. (that would include being a 1-16 seed)
#2. I don't want that stupid 8/9 seed. I hate the 8/9 seed because we have been that the last 2 trips and played the national champion the 2nd round. We would be better off with a 10-12 is all I was saying.
Of course I would rather have the 9 seed than nothing though.
That's the problem then. That win has to mean something. If not why play the regular season? We demolished them at home and are a better team. If the rest of the resumes are basically equal you have to give us the seed based one head to head results.
If the tournament seeding was based on the season results as of today, you would have a valid point. But they aren't, and as Dryburn pointed out above, these guys probably aren't basing their brackets on the standings and results as of today, but rather they are likely predicting how the remaining games will play out and then seeding the teams. At this point, he probably has OU beating ISU in Norman, and OU finishing higher than ISU.
What? I'm pretty sure all these brackets are done as if Selection Sunday were today. They aren't predicting anything.
Per Jerry's method...
Wisconsin is a 6 seed. Wisconsin is 18-8 (9-4) with wins over #2 Indiana, #3 Michigan, #12 Illinois, #12 Minnesota, and #13 Ohio State. The Badgers have won 6 of their last 10 games.
Minnesota is a 4 seed. Minnesota is 18-8 (6-7) with wins over #19 Memphis, #18 Michigan State, and #20 Wisconsin. The Gophers have won 3 of their last 10 games.
Wisconsin is a 6 seed. Wisconsin is 18-8 (9-4) with wins over #2 Indiana, #3 Michigan, #12 Illinois, #12 Minnesota, and #13 Ohio State. The Badgers have won 6 of their last 10 games.
Minnesota is a 4 seed. Minnesota is 18-8 (6-7) with wins over #19 Memphis, #18 Michigan State, and #20 Wisconsin. The Gophers have won 3 of their last 10 games.
I think the team that laid that turd in Austin does not deserve a spot. Actually, I'd think that we all know how the season will end...lose to Baylor, OU, WV on the road. Beat TT, KU, OSU at home. Lose in the first game in KC despite having a ton of fans there. I'd actually be shocked at any other outcome. This team is just too weak mentally and defensively to win anywhere other than Hilton. Reminds me so much of Johnny's teams its crazy. Anyway, I don't think 10-8 in conference gets us in nor would we deserve it. And if it does, we're looking at the play-in game.
How many teams did Johnny have that finished the conference season with a winning record? Did those teams make the NCAAs?
A bad road team goes on the road and gets blown out. This ISU team has not done that. So it is a mistatement. I feel we are far more likely to win these next two road games than lose them based on the fact that we have been in almost every road contest this year. And where did I talk about using these "close" losses to boost our resume? Man, you need to actually comprehend before you post a book. We need to win these road games coming up, and based off of what I have seen, we can do that. End of story. Feel free to post a rant having nothing to do with what I posted.
According to your post, we must have been smoked in all those road games. Wait, we were a mental miscue or a single stop away from winning all those.
Can we get alot better? Sure, but when you are only losing by two in OT, or a banked in 3 at the buzzer, you do not need to rewrite the playbook.
Agreed, we were not blown out at all. osu, ku and tex were all dang close losses.
Yes, I know it's TCU, but doesn't that seem rather odd to get moved out after one of the largest margins of victory in our conference history?
Personally... I get the feeling that Iowa State goes down to Waco and beats Baylor. When playing against Baylor you can typically count on 2 things... playing a team loaded with talent that lives to underachieve and playing a team that is so poorly coached they can't get out of their own way. While beating Baylor isn't going to be a monumental achievement by any stretch of the imagination I think ISU uses the win as a confidence builder and they finish stronger then most expect down the stretch. I think ISU ends up going 5-1 down the stretch with a loss at Oklahoma.
